Dear Nicky,

Thanks for answering my question.

And as Fractelle said, if you're
unsure whether it's real fur or
fake, "Don't buy it."

I certainly won't.

Dear Polycarp,

I don't think anyone is seriously
criticizing you for raising
human rights issues. Where people
draw the line however, is when
you continually keep picking on
one particular group. Perhaps it is
unintentional on your part, only you
know in your heart whether this is true,
but its the way it is perceived on this Forum.

BD/PC

"Yes... let's also recognize future threats to our safety, security and identity, freedom of faith etc while they are in embryonic form. Some people just wring their hands.. I actually do things."

Gee, you're a saint, BD. The world needs more of your kind.

Where have I been going wrong? Perhaps I haven't been spending enough time on bible study and church attendance. Is that what you mean by 'doing things'?

By the way, this thread is about animal cruelty and, while I actually agree with some of your comments here and I'm sure the others do too, we are all tired, as Foxy has just pointed out, of the way you highjack every discussion to push your own pet hates. Besides, anyone who hates Muslims the way you do has little credibility in any human rights discussion.

One improvement I have noticed with your new reincarnation though is that we're not being earbashed with bible quotes quite so regularly. That is very welcome. Keep it up.

Yes, it's good to 'actually do things', but hopefully that involves cleaning out your own backyard first. Besides which, I've seen you do plenty of 'hand-wringing' on OLO.

One simple way to avoid being duped is to buy 'Australian Made' products whenever possible. Make sure you take your reading glasses when buying and if not 'Australian Made' ask yourself if you really want it. I know it is getting more difficult but we should try for many reasons.

No problem in buying Red Fox or Kangaroo skin products if made here.

Hi all

Thanks so much for your responses, and in particular the tip of recognizing "faux" from real fur.

I'd like to make my position clear about one thing, I think. Human rights and animal rights/welfare are not mutually exclusive. It is not necessarily an "either/or", most people involved in animal welfare/animal rights also care deeply about other social justice issues.

I'm not really familiar with Polycarp's views, so can't comment there.

It would be interesting to know just what percentage of "Australian" souvenirs, like toy koalas, kangaroos, etc are actually made in China - it's most of them, from what I've seen around the shops.

Banjo, on the basis that we presume that animals killed whose fur is used in Australia are killed reasonably humanely; certainly I cannot imagine such sickening atrocities happening here (without prosecution). I would encourage people who are sympathetic about this to visit relevant anti-fur websites and find out who the designers are who use fur too - often it is the big names who make other products like perfumes, and cosmetics, for instance. If people are interested I will look them up and post them here. I know that Jennifer Lopez, for example, uses a lot of fur (Chinese) in her clothings designs.

Cheers
Nicky

Wait until 9 billion people get a hold of this planet, you don't really think there's still going to be wildlife, do ya! Since today's extinction rate is well under way, we might as well be farming them and get into harvesting the little dears while the going is good.

Animals parts are again big business
and it winds up to same conclusions I have said before!

Control the people, save the world.

Its only a matter of time before the human race eats this planet alive.

Nicky! I do envy your passion for the defenceless, but as we grow, money and greed will eventually win.
Its human nature iam afraid.

EVO

Dear Nicky,

I for one would be interested in the names of
designers who use fur (fake or real).

It would be great if you could post a list here.

Thanks for offering.