Frankly Bronwyn, I really don't care, what touchy-feely posters
such as yourself, make of my posts. If you would prefer it, just
ignore them. I am here to make points of reason, some bog themselves
down with how things are said, others are free to refute the
substance of the arguments, if they wish to.

Perhaps you have missed a good deal of the NicknDick posts, but
these two have been insulting anyone who lives in the ME, Australian
farmers and now the Chinese, for years. If their racism is not
bleedingly obvious, well I can't help you dear.

Both preach from the Peter Singer school of animal liberation.
Thats fine, people believe whatever they will, but it would
be nice, if we finally had some honesty and separated animal
welfare from animal liberation.

AA was founded by Peter Singer and he was the first prez. So
what are they really preaching today? Why don't they just come
clean and admit it is animal liberation that they are really after,
animal welfare is simply a stepping stone. Or will AA, NicknDick
etc, denounce the Singer philosophies?

Of course they won't. So we have all this pretend nonsense going
on, its like extracting a tooth lol.

If animal liberation is what these two are about, then clearly
they are biased and unable to have an unbiased opinion about
agriculture, for it goes against their philosophy.

I don't play these silly little games. I say what I think, it
upsets some, others will understand the substance of my argument.

These two owe their education and standard of living to agriculture,
for were it not for farming, they would have grown up in a banana
republic. I doubt if either paid Hecs fees, they are too old
for that. Its about time they at least acknowledged how well
farming has served them as an industry, not this nonsense that
they have posted.

Bronwyn, along with his sexist insults, Yabby also makes assumptions about matters he knows absolutely nothing about. I certainly have paid HECS fees of many, many thousands of dollars, and agriculture has contributed nothing to my education or lifestyle. In fact, agriculture in this country these days doesn't contribute to all that much at all, with employment and GDP in that sector steadily declining (see ABS statistics at www.liveexportshame.com)

Why would I denounce the philosophies of Peter Singer as a whole moral standpoint? What Yabby and CJ Morgan cannot get their heads around is that no-one has condemned ALL Australian farmers, ALL Muslims or ALL Chinese. What we do condemn is the gross animal abuse that is endemic in the behaviours of all those groups, however. Yabby's responses to that are totally without intellectual discernment, and his only recourse is to insults on a religious or sexist basis. CJ Morgan, having no other sound argument to offer, plays the racist card. Those sorts of debating techniques, for want of a better description, are fundamentally flawed and unsustainable.

Did Yabby have credibility at some point? I must have missed that.

As for live animals being thrown to predators in Chinese zoos as has been so well described in the reports I have posted here, that would need to be captured on videotape and the film sent to PETA , I would suggest.

Nicky

On behalf of PALE in conjunction with RSPCA QLD we would like to wish all dads a happy fathers day.


By the time a man realizes that maybe his father was right, he usually has a son who thinks he's wrong.
Charles Wadworth

3. Ruth E. Renkel
Sometimes the poorest man leaves his children the richest inheritance.

Bronwyn, while I understand your apologetics for the loopy animal rights sorority, I fear your objectivity is clouded.

If you care to, check out the posting histories of dickie, Nicky, PALE&IF et al. I suggest there is a common pattern in their posts to OLO over time of denigrating non-Western consumers of animal products, generally along the lines that they are in general 'barbarians' or 'despicable' etc because they don't adhere to middle-class Western ideas of animal welfare.

To futher expand my working hypothesis, perhaps some of our regular animal rights zealots could answer this question:

Do you have any (human) children?

I ask this because I hypothesise that they probably don't.

Bronwyn

Thank you for those very rational deductions on Yabby and Morgan's contribution to the topic on this thread.

It gets a bit lonely here when one must endure two clowns who constantly infiltrate threads on animal welfare, specifically to defend the actions of animal abusers - one tottering back and forth on this forum with a racist billboard front and back and the other - well enough said!

A quick perusal of Yabby's numerous posts reveals a total failure to address the topic and no matter which topic is at hand, continues to subject others to a stifling tirade of irrelevant and unrestrained bilge.

As Lord Devlin, one of the great British judges of the last century said:

"Not everything is to be tolerated. No society can do without
intolerance, indignation, and disgust, they are the forces behind the
moral law, and indeed it can be argued that if they or something
like them are not present, the feelings of a society cannot be
weighty enough to deprive the individual of freedom of choice.

"I suppose that there is hardly anyone nowadays who would not be
disgusted by the thought of deliberate cruelty to animals. No one
proposes to relegate that or any other form of sadism to the realm
of private morality or to allow it to be practised in public or
private."

And yet this cabal, who place their offspring in nests within our halls of parliament, would have you believe that Jack the Ripper was a gentle soul. Such is the brutal mentality of these sadistic executioners!

Cheers for now.

"Do you have any (human) children?

"I ask this because I hypothesise that they probably don't." (Morgan)

I am a Mother several times over and I have been a foster Mother to three other children.

However, as per usual, you are completely off topic. What has maternalism to do with animal cruelty or human cruelty for that matter?

So hypothesise away Mad Dog. You really should seek treatment for that rabies affliction!