Dickie dear, thanks for telling me that I was abandoned, for its
the first that I have heard of it! Clearly you know more about
things that happened in my life, then I do :) BTW are you busy
smoking strange substances in your retirement home?

Nobody is stopping anyone from discussion animal welfare in China.

But when the NicknDick tag team attack farmers yet once again,
it is yet once again time to set the record straight. Your hatred
for farmers is dotted right through your OLO history. Enough is
enough!

Touchy-feely is great for motherhood, but not up to standard, when
it comes to educated discussion about agriculture and livestock.
We grow them to be eaten, not to bemother them, thats the reality
of it.

Your very notion, that a vet should be called, every time a farmer
tails some lambs, is patently ridiculous! It shows your ignorance
about farming, agricultural economics, the availability of vets,
the list goes on.

I have stated before, if society should want farmers to administer
pain relief when tailing lambs, society is free to make available,
at an affordable price, the substances required, for farmers to
administer. Farmers don't make the law, farmers don't make
vetinary chemicals, they use what is available at the time.

As we have seen with Trisolfen, whose use this year has increased
by something like 230%, farmers use these products, if they
are available, at their expense, for the benefit of their animals.

Animal welfare is in farmers interests, if livestock don't thrive,
neither to farmers. But no, we don't bemother them as you would
wish, we grow them for food. Keep your touchy feely for your
kids. We need qualified people do comment about farming, not
motherly types such as yourself, who simply don't understand the
industry.

dickie,
Fiddle Sticks
Lets go back shall we. Now lets see, pale suggested someone contact Sea world ,and ask them nicely, would they help because they have been doing a great deal of work quietly with China to improve zoos ( there was no comment from anybody)

Then we suggested that WSPA Or RSPCA could poosible invite China to have a RSPCA Branch in China( There was no comment from you or anybody else)

I told you all we had placed two calls to China and had a return call from a person with contacts in China offering to help( There was no comment again)

Then We posted about the CHINESE people " shock horror" Yes Chinese people who offered to pay for a web site and work with anybody would wanted to help( No comment from anybody again)

The next suggestion was that perhaps PETA or another organisation could find alternative big contracts and provide machinery for fake fur ( No comment again.)

Not one of you have come up with any sensible ideas OR were prepared to take up the Chinese peoples offer.

Yabby also suggested RSPCA could perhaps encourage China to open up a branch there only to bre hailed with abuse.

So Yabby and PALE were the only ones to make any sensible suggestions.
What IS your idea on helping the Animals in China NicknDick?

Until you come up with something dont critisie us and take your merry band of libbers with you who come in here for one reason- The gang up on pale.
This reminds me of Peter Singer telling me to close Pale and send my money and my friends to Animals Australia!

Would you like me to post his email?( Copy)

Dickie, thanks for your kind words. It's absolutely clear that PALE, lost in its delusions and conspiracy theories, has not only publicly aligned itself to live exports by its now stated allegiance to the Yabbys of the world, and also that it has not bothered to read the responses both you and I posted in response to its "suggestions". I won't even bother with the apparent identity crises - perhaps it's something they drink or smoke in the little house on the Gold Coast.

For the record, I pointed out that the business of SeaWorld is to keep marine animals in captivity, and that farmed bears in China cannot really be described as marine animals - therefore any thought of a meaningful contribution from SeaWorld comes from fantasyland.

I also stated that I had contacted both PETA and WSPA via their websites in this context, and made my views clear on what I thought a contribution from the RSPCA would be.

Fractelle, how very remiss of you not to respond to PALE's demands with instant attention!

Dickie, if I have been able to note that you are not a vegetarian, perhaps basic comprehension skills are lacking in the PALE/CJ Morgan/Yabby dreamworld. If you speak up about animal cruelty, obviously you have to be a vegetarian, in their limited thought processes.

This thread was never intended to discuss Australian farming practices, but typically, PALE, Yabby and CJ Morgan corrupted it, thus ruining the information provided that really should be out there.

But so what? If they, and PALE, can destroy anything meaningful for no other reason than their rantings, it's hardly surprising that very few persevere with them.

Nicky

Furthermore, PALE, if you approached Peter Singer as you approach everyone else, quite frankly the best thing you could have done for animals was to take his advice.

You have provided NO evidence of having ever achieved ANYTHING for animal welfare in this country. Just fantasy stuff about "working with Muslim Leaders". Doing what, precisely? They can't even stop the infighting between themselves, and nor can the RSPCA (which states that its relationship with PALE is of no more significance than its relationship with any other animal welfare group, including ALQ, for example).

Where did that total claptrap come from about an animal welfare enquiry being from the "one angle of vegetarians"? You really need to get a grip on reality.

Yabby, if you want to discuss the egregious cruelty to animals in China, then do so on this thread - don't fill it with your usual sexist, dogmatic repetitive claptrap. If you want to just continue to argue your usual rubbish, which, like that of PALE, we have seen SO OFTEN, start an appropriate thread to do so. This one isn't it.

Nicky

*Where did that total...

I am going to break a golden Rule by answering -
From the Co founder of Animal Liberation.

Would you like me to post that too? (Copy)

One of our lawyers wrote to Peter Singer (just an email). He didn’t say he was a lawyer because he didn’t want him to feel intimidated.

The reply was arrogant, rude and insulting.



As far as our work with farmers and Muslim leaders, may I suggest none of you were interested before- So why now?

Several accreditations have been granted diverting live to chilled FYI Actually many.

Don’t you read the papers?

As for inta fighting you lot have 20 years of history. Even RSPCA Dr Wirth said it was THE major problem. "He said you cant talk to these people because they think they walk on a higher moral ground"


Your leader In My opinion would rather do nothing for animals 'if' it meant she didn’t get the credit in my opinion- and others, a well known fact.

- That alone with political aspirations+ egos - (Of course that is my opinion.) and others.

Your little agenda of trailing pale into OLO is clear to anybody who has read these threads.

As for RSPCA QLD I repeat we work in Conjunction with them on Live Exports Only.

AL and RSPCA QLD PALE all work for the animals only.
You should try it sometime.

RSPCA QLD is clearly the leaders in Animal Welfare In this country.

There have many projects and we are very proud of our CEO.

However none of it would be possibly if everybody didn’t put the animals first and work together.

BTW what have YOU done to help the animals??

Move away from your senior uni friends and pack a swag and head for the bush.

You ALL do.

Learn something about `livestock` and the industry, then put together a programe to make a difference for the animals like pale has.
You twenty years before us to do it?



So much for these bright uni students. Dumb and dumber.

Oops Nicky, clearly not a girl of your word! About leaving,
you clearly missed us :) So predictable is Nicky.

If you go back to the start of this thread, you will notice that
I hardly posted. Obsessed as you are, by the 26th August you
could not help yourself and had to start writing insulting posts.

Nicky dear, I am not a quiet little petal, if people go out of their
way to insult me. Clearly you are unable to stick to the topics
of your own threads, even less capable of keeping your word!

The fact that some women are extremely maternal is not sexism,
its biology 101. Political science does not teach you that I a
afraid, but look it up.

Given the fact that you have made a huge attempt to insult farmers,
insult qualfied agriculture industry people and promote your
vegan propaganda on OLO, its only fair enough that somebody
like myself, who is informed about agriculture, sets the record
straight.

Animal liberation and animal welfare are two separate issues.
You clearly still do not understand the difference.