Yabby, is it the Catholic Church you hate in isolation, all Christian religions, or religions as a whole? As for the Muslims and their "kindness" to animals, we have seen the evidence of that. And yes, PETA did a campaign to that effect in the Middle East, pointing out that Australian animals are "haram" because of the suffering they have endured, in Australia, on ships, and in the Middle East.

What Dickie is saying is not rocket science. Cloven hooved animals only came to Australia as a result of human intervention. Australia's delicate ecosystems cannot sustain these animals, particularly at the rate you people breed them (and spare me the claptrap about them doing it all by themselves). Australia's ecosystems can support the wildlife indigenous to them, and look at the damage you people have done to them. The Tasmanian Devil is under threat of extinction as a result of a facial tumour disease, which has been attributed to the pollution farmers have contributed to Tasmanian waterways, and 1080 baits.

Countless other species are under threat or have been lost forever. You people should be held accountable for that - maybe it will be Karma, who knows? You certainly don't.

In the meantime, inform yourself, and actually watch the footage Dickie and I have posted on these threads. You accuse us of being ill-informed (without knowing us or what we do or don't know) while persistently refusing to inform yourself.

Nicky

Just for the record, everyone, I just found a letter posted by PALE in August 2007 calling for an "end" to its MoU with AFIC:

"....I would ask you to remove us from your web page and of course consider our MOU at an end.

"It is with regret you chose not to work with us however you leave us without any other choice. On a personal note to you Ikabel I am extremely surprised and very disappointed".

Regards
Wendy Lewthwaite
Posted by TarynW, Monday, 13 August 2007 7:35:23 AM

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=877&page=0#15619

So what possible objection could there be to the Handle with Care Coalition making the approaches it (reportedly) has?

Nicky

Dickie, I am deluded because you believe in the Karma fairy? There is as much
evidence, as there is for the tooth fairy!

*WA currently has 362 threatened plants, 199 threatened animals and 69 threatened ecological
communities.*

I remind you Dickie, that is was your ancestors and not mine, who released foxes,
cats and rabbits into the Australian environment. Between those three, that represents
most of the damage. Don’t blame people who are farming sustainably for what
your relatives did in the past.

*with a
large pair of shears to cut off their testicles, slice off their backsides, drench them in
carcinogenic substances*

I do? Your imagination runs wild once again, yet you don’t have the foggiest about
what happens on farms. Must be old age. As a matter of interest, I have done neither
of all three that you mention, but dream on.

*before
exporting your stock*

Ah, but I have never exported stock. I have sold them to all sorts of people. Some landed up on little trays in Woolies, some landed up in little trays in the USA and elsewhere. Some were put on ships, which follow world’s best practise.

I have always encouraged building more meatworks in West Australia. But I do not
make the rules or run the Govt. I do not chase investors away with red tape, I don’t
make laws which stop meatworks employing foreign workers. I produce lambs and
sheep, sustainably and they enjoy their lives. I then sell them in the open market.
Anyone can buy them. If society makes rules and regulations which inhibit a globally competitive meat industry happening in West Australia, then society is
at fault, not me.

WA farmers are some of the most efficient and productive farmers in the world.
With developments like no-till/deep-till, moderate stocking rates etc, they are
also some of the most sustainable. If city slickers are so slack that they are unable
to handle our primary products in an efficient way, don’t blame farmers, but blame
your own Govt bureaucrats and industry.

Hi Nicky

We can see more clearly now that we are dealing with a sociopath.

Apparently a sociopath is one who has no moral restrictions on their thoughts or actions, i.e. without concience. They are capable of acting correctly, but would only do so because of its usefulness, not out of a sense of what's right.

Example: "Ah, but I have never exported stock. Some were put on ships, which follow world’s best practise" (Yabby)

Very disturbing indeed Nicky. Should I resurrect his post where he brags that he exports his sheep to the ME for the Haaj Festivals? Of course sociopaths are poor liars with even poorer memories.

Anyhow perhaps he'll quieten down by showing him a video from NZ, on how his victims die from the 1080 bait. That should get him excited.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgOsdBTe1s8

Hello everyone
Yabby seems to be saying that everything he does is justified by the economics, whether it is environmental damage or cruelty to animals. I noticed that he said somewhere else that hogtying sheep and slitting their throats while they're conscious is commonplace on Australian farms. Where does that leave our criticism our criticism of the Middle East? Just asking because I still don't think all the shipping is right.

Hi Dickie and Alexandra

It really seems a lost cause going over and over the same tired old ground with Yabby. A sociopath indeed. Yabby, you may use different methods of castration, but not all farmers do. As for being "efficient and "productive", that tells us with absolute clarity that sentient beings are nothing more than commodities to you.

"World's best practise" (sic)? Don't make us laugh. Not when 40,000+ animals. and rising, die every year on these old heaps of scrap. And of course, what happens to the survivors continues to be irrelevant to Yabby, because it is ALL THE GOVERNMENT'S FAULT. Give us a break. Clearly they are smarter in the Eastern states, because they have not built markets (to the same extent) on gross animal abuse as you in the West have have managed (to turn into a fine art).

Tell us about the spaying and castration of cattle in the north. Do you think that is humane. And put a rubber ring on your relevant parts and see how painful it is.

Nicky