*I wouldn't waste my time reading the propaganda in the rags you subscribe to *

If you are so lazy as to not inform yourself, wanting me to lay
everything on a plate for you, then frankly, get stuffed lol.

Its all there, page 16 and 17 of Farm Weekly 17th April 2008,
organised by MLA and Livecorp, with scientists and researchers
from various universities around Australia attending.

Informed people, who know what is going on in the industry,
know about this stuff. The animal liberation brigade are clearly
too busy chanting their mantras from their own websites, to be
informed.

"Its all there, page 16 and 17 of Farm Weekly 17th April 2008,
organised by MLA and Livecorp, with scientists and researchers
from various universities around Australia attending."

Tsk, tsk. Is that the best you can come up with Yabby to mask your deceitful swill? So "MLA and Livecorp" were the organisers. Ahh....I see now. So where's the rest of the details I requested?

Nil eh? You don't even know what you're ranting on about and you certainly couldn't lie straight in bed. What a tosser!

Dickie, Farm Weekly must have found Yabby's great event to be of such little significance, it does not appear anywhere in its story archives online for that period. I think we can safely discount the whole catastrophe really, since the "scientists" were no doubt handsomely recompensed for their "contributions" by LiveCorp and MLA.

Meanwhile, I found this:

"The mortality statistics for 2007, for animals who died at loading, on ships, or during "discharge" are available at LiveCorp's website.

At the DAFF Animal Welfare/Live Exports site, the true "collateral damage" is revealed: a rise in mortality rates for sheep and goats; and the total "damage" for the year 2007 was more than 38,000 animals (despite an overall drop in sheep exports). Emanuel Exports, who faced cruelty charges in Western Australia this year was responsible for the deaths of about 4,500 sheep in just four voyages between June and December, a six month period. These people still have a licence, and no sanctions were ever imposed. Another exporter managed to kill 12.5% of the goats on board - but was able to continue exporting other animals.

"This is, of course, the story of the "lucky" ones. The survivors face the most egregious cruelty to have been shown on Australian television. Furthermore, Middle Eastern countries are now "onforwarding" Australian animals to other countries, in conditions of unspeakable cruelty.

"Who is laughing all the way to the bank? The exporters, and the importing countries, in which all the jobs have been created.
The Australian government now says it is investing funds in importing countries. This we have seen before, with facilities funded substantially by Australian taxpayers to prop up this obscene trade in cruelty not even being used.

"If you believe this is unacceptable - that Australian animals destined for food deserve at the very least a humane life and a humane death, TAKE ACTION with the politicians who are actively supporting this trade in wretched animal misery".

http://candobetter.org/node/604#comment-1007 Posted by "Stoptac"

Nicky

Over and over the same crap you go Nicky, zzzzzzzzzz.

I told you before, 4 million sheep a year exported, they all died,
people ate them.

Yup, 1% had a problem along the way, no different to any land
based feedlot. But then you know nothing about agriculture.
Qualified vets, scientists and animal welfare specialists
know alot more then a couple of doting motherly types.

If people object to the live trade, they are free to buy them
in Australian saleyards and slaughter them here. Clearly they
can't be bothered. Ok, no worries, farmers think globally.

Meantime, farmers continue to do more for livestock and livestock
handling in the ME, then any animal liberation or animal
welfare group. Those groups seem to spend their time playing on their computers, or playing on OLO lol. Mind you, two old ducks
like you two, both fanatical, really don't matter to anyone.

Hi Nicky

Thanks for that link. I shall have a look a bit later.

In the meantime have a look at these figures which are monstrous and if you want to see a breakdown of them go to DAFF and peruse the mortalities on the Excel sheets. These are the figures submitted by the ship captains.

"One percent" says our resident sicko.

Here's a few examples of mortalities on individual voyages for 2007:

International Livestock Export Fremantle/Kuwait/Bahrain/Doha/Jebel Ali
2.53%

International Livestock Export Pty Ltd Fremantle/Jeddah
2.06%

Wellards Portland/Kuwait/Muscat/Jebel Ali
1.88%

Elders International Australia Limited Fremantle/Portland/Manzanillo
6.67%

Livestock Shipping Services Freo/Jeddah
1.73%

Wellard Freo/Muscat/Bahrain/Kuwait/Jebel Ali
1.13%

What can we expect to see for the Egyptian run?

Total mortalities for all animals for 2007 is around 41,106.

No, no, Yabby, that is relatively new "crap".

Dickie, the extended, multi-port journeys are usually the killers - I did have a look at the Excel spreadsheet. Emanuels slipped under the radar of reporting because, presumably, they just came in under the 2%. But it's all appalling total. The ships they use are usually the "Al Kuwait", "Al Shuwaikh", "Al Messilah" and "Merino (aka Cormo) Express", all between 40+ to 25+ years old. The first two are "open" decked and the latter two "closed" decked (they are old car transporters).

Remember these stats are based on Captain's reports, and what would their agenda be (especially Middle Eastern ones)? Looking at LiveCorp's stats as well, they are working to send animals on longer and longer journeys (Mauritius, Turkey, Russia, Mexico)

What Yabby cannot deal with to anyone's satisfaction but his own
is the suffering firstly of the animals who die on the ships and during "discharge", as they so quaintly describe it, then the prolonged suffering of those who survive. But what the hell? The farmers are making a few bucks, so who cares. Farmers in reality do bugger-all for animals in importing countries (or Australia, for that matter unless it turns a profit), and now suggest that community-funded animal advocacy groups either have, or would consider spending their funds in those countries. Why would they do any such thing when the objective is to stop the trade?

It has been shown many times that Australian taxpayer funded "improvements" have achieved nothing (are not even used), and that these people do buy frozen meat when we do not supply animals (during the embargo on Saudi Arabia, the frozen meat trade trebled (and the UAE was shown to be importing the animals, butchering them and flogging the meat to Saudi Arabia, and during the recent ban on Egypt they bought frozen meat (not animals from other sources).

I was reading some stuff earlier about Sharia law and the charming practices they have of amputating thieves' hands, stoning women to death and flogging them in the streets. What hope do animals have?

Nicky