"As Pericles once so wisely put it, they are basically your slaves
and do as you say. They have little choice in the matter. They
certainly don't lead "natural" lives."

And as Yabby once so unwisely declared:

"My dogs have their own bean-bags!"

And how's that Pinocchio nose going Yabby? Seems to me you've ceased taking your medication for memory loss eh? Tut tut. That's a bad move for motor-mouths. Unmulesed sheep and dogs on bean bags? What's next Pinocchio?

Best you wash your mouth out Old Timer - a sanitary brush and some good old carbolic should do it!

Dickie dear, clearly the brain cells are dying fast in that old
peoples home.

What is unwise about what I said? Yup, my dogs have bean bags.
They also live more naturally, then your dogs. They get to chase
rabbits, as dogs naturally do. Not a chain in sight, not a harness
in sight, the door is open, they are free to leave, any time they
please.

My livestock, once again lead natural lives. They do their stuff,
unlike your enslaved city dogs. Stuck in apartments where they
are not even free to pee as they please.

I remind you that it is you animal rights activists preaching from
your claimed moral high ground, as you smother your little doggies
in no freedom, gourment food (hardly natural), whilst these
farm dogs have more freedoms then any of yours.

So off your little pedastal dear, as you have already fallen off,
but perhaps you are too old to notice.

"My livestock, once again lead natural lives. They do their stuff,
unlike your enslaved city dogs. Stuck in apartments where they
are not even free to pee as they please."

Tsk tsk Yabby. Your mental condition has grown chronic. And what will Pericles have to say about the bean bags and your rampant hypocrisy?

Of course you are well aware that I'm from pastoral lands - sheep country, Brother. No apartments, no gates and no chains. Naturally, unlike you and your cretins in crime, I have not trained my animals to "skitch" a rabbit.

By the way, Bunnings are advertising sanitary brushes - cheap.....yes very cheap! Detox Yabby - cleanse yourself and don't forget the carbolic soap - it's excellent for germs!

*Of course you are well aware that I'm from pastoral lands - sheep country*

I am well aware that you looked out of your housewifely window, Dickie.
You still battle to know one end of a sheep from the other.

If you had "lived" in sheep country, you would know how to provide
meat for your family, other then shopping. You clearly don't.
Some women thrive in a rural environment, you were clearly out
of place in it, so have moved to the city.

*And what will Pericles have to say about the bean bags and your rampant hypocrisy?*

I would have to ask him. But I would be surprised if he did not
see my dogs for what they are, ie working dogs. They are there
to do a job. Quite different to your personal slaves, there for
no other reason, but your amusement and comfort, including the
satisfaction of your maternal hormones.

*I have not trained my animals to "skitch" a rabbit.*

Dogs hunt rabbits quite naturally Dickie, but clearly you don't
know that. Yup, they rip em to bits, all part of nature.

Yo Yabbs
There are points on both sides of your arguments regarding live exports.
However what a shame you all got off track about a zillion posts ago.

What a pity there is zero effort made towards creating some strong competition and giving the farmers an alternative.

Just imagine all those recourses and energy if they directed the members to actually DO sometime.

All this energy being directed towards putting the blame on farmers should be directed towards finding viable alternatives.

However you can see what happens when anybody tries to lead them in that direction.

Look at the allegations that were tossed pales way-ie raising funds illegally by taking donations outside the correct practices of the dept of fair trading, animal killers etc...

I might ad that’s just on OLO .

We started out as just a bunch of far minded people thinking there’s got to be a better way to do this.

So officially we are no longer a group anymore just a mob.

A mob of x farmers and a few lawyers and some really fantastic volunteers.

Speaking of doing something went out last week and purchased a few acres for the wild life in an area where sadly the place has just been discovered by the city folk.

At least its something I guess and I will get out as often as possible and ride about spending time with the wild life who seem to have more brains than most humans ah

"All this energy being directed towards putting the blame on farmers should be directed towards finding viable alternatives."

Pale

Stop deluding yourself. It is not up to the public to find viable alternatives for an industry which operates immorally.

Nor does the public find "viable alternatives" for any other industry operating dishonourably. You see Pale, if another industry operates illegally, they are prosecuted if their illegal operations come under public scrutiny from the vigilance of the regulators.

Since the regulators are in collusion with the perpetrators (both plotting to maintain the status quo) the only role the public have in the matter of illegal operations, is for them to blow the whistle -not counsel them on their deceitful and fraudulent practices.

Livestock farmers, with the cooperation of collusive governments, have no intention of finding alternatives. They wallow in the spoils -the profitable "black" and are deliriously chuffed that the gates to Egypt have re-opened.

So please spare us the dramatics Pale. We've heard them many times before. Your beloved livestock farmer conducts his business in a gruesome and cruel manner. His gross inefficiencies in the handling of his stock is on public record. Your farmer sees his stock as vermin to be slaughtered in the cheapest and cruellest manner possible.

That the farmers' stock suffers enormously is of no consequence to the farmer.

You know it, I know it, the farmer knows and our governments relish it.

If you wish to commence dialogue with the farmer, do so but please spare us anymore of your vacuous diatribe. Morality on this thread is not negotiable.