Nicky said

PALE, I'm sorry, but if your "trained", "skilled" migrant
Pale Relpies
Nicky you dissapoint me. I thought you were doing so well with ABA links.

They are not OUR "trained skilled migrant workers" that your refering to.

Oh no, Nicky 'our' skilled trained workers as I have told you before were to use pre stunning pluss put the worlds first Gas plant at Coominya.

Then (after much work I am sure) and expense put them right throughout Australia to divert live to chilled under the most humane methods world wide.

But you girls oppose that remember! Didnt want to meet and assist oo talk about it.

Again! we contacted AA and Glenyse (I personally called her)

and requested they attended meeting to discuss this and support it.?

So lets take another look at your lots total arrogance and refusual to accept invitations to meetings that we CLEARLY to benefit Animals shall we?

Now remember Nicky YOU raised this - and you do so all the time.

The next post will be= pale I have told you before I am not a member of any group but no wonder they dont work with your group etc etc.
Well save your post Nicky. I put it to you= that when pale joined OLO you old faithfuls came in attacking us from all angels.

(Many different names) the mission was the bag pale.

Well its certainly backfired because we were just happy to post on Animal Welfare.

But If you all Insist:)

You want to debate Animal Welfare -= Good Then Do it= But dont come in here expecting to dicate to us because Animals Australia or anybody else doesnt like us.

Yabbys right this is a ruthless industry and we have some 'real work' to do in preference to your friend concern about her ego!

In short dont play with the big boys or you wil get burnt.

They are bloody lucky we never gave those letters you begged me to post to the media!

Enough of this bitching Nicky.

That doesnt help the Animals.

PALE, you truly mystify me. I see nothing from any animal group that I can identify on any of these thread trying to dictate to anyone, and I'm tired of repeating myself in saying that I do not belong to one. The only person/people I see being arrogant and dictatorial here is PALE, I'm afraid. PALE's way or no way, to use your terminology. Nor do I see the threats, overt or covert, coming from anywhere else. I haven't got "burned" yet, nor am I likely to. And why, for heavens sake, would I want to "do well" with the ABA thread?

I doubt whether Animals Australia or anyone else would be overly concerned if you gave their correspondence to the media, as ethically questionable as that would be. Their credibility is pretty good. And they, and Glenys personally (who, incidentally, I do not regard as a friend, nor she me), have every right to choose not to work with you. What you say is "not good enough" appears to have the support of AA's substantial membership, whether you like it or nor, so perhaps it's time to get over it.

Small slaughterhouses will not implement gas stunning according to a reliable source, it would not be economically viable. If you were so bent on it happening at wherever it was, why didn't it?

Yabby, it is a sad state of affairs when the "world's best practice" is solely measured by the number of animals who do not die, and no reference is made to their fate after the journey. And as for the "Cormo Express", CIWF, who had observers in Eritrea at the time, estimated that only about 40,000 sheep survived to be unloaded and the stench of dead animals was unbelievable. The "protocols" you speak of are only about ensuring the animals are unloaded, are unenforceable, and are a publicity stunt to avert another such embarassing incident. Nothing, again, about their fate after that. "World's best practice"? Give us a break!

Cheers
Nicky

Nicky, clearly the standards are world's best practise, who has
higher standards?

If the MOU with SA was simply a publicity stunt, why did they build
large quarantine feedlots as agreed? Just for fun?

Nicky, you would say anything to denigrate the trade, as being a
vegan at heart, you don't only want the live trade to end, but
livestock farming to end. You are unable to be objective, due
to your flawed philosophies. That is why we need qualified people
to make decisions about farming and the live trade, not vegan
fanatics.

Ah, so I should rely on your mate for accurate figures?
Nicky, grow up lol. 50'000 sheep on a boat, yes they smell
like sheep. You city slickers are so touchy about natural smells.
You seem to prefer the smell of chemicals. I guess that is all
that you know.

Hi all
Yabby, you accuse anyone who opposes your slavish devotion to the MLA/LiveCorp propaganda machine of being a "vegan fanatic". There are hundreds of thousands of meat-eating Australians who despise the live export trade, and you know it.

I'd also be fairly confident that experienced CIWF investigators would know what sheep - and 15,000 or so dead ones - would smell like. They also can count. You may recall that Hugh Wirth was refused permission to go to Eritrea and investigate the fiasco. CIWF also reported countless blind and lame sheep, abandoned to an unknown fate in a particularly barren country with absolutely no protection or even facilities to deal with the number who did survive.

Believe it or not, I know what sheep smell like, and enough to know that concentrating tens of thousands of them on ships on which thousands die is a totally different smell.

"World's best standards" simply means that no-one else HAS any standards. You haven't addressed the small matter of all your Middle Eastern countries being signatories to OIE standards, then ignoring them with total impunity. Those are about as worthless and unenforceable as Australia's standards are (which still only are validated against the number of aniumals who do not die - nothing more).

Cheers
Nicky

Nicky, in your case and in Dickie’s case it is certainly true, you have both expressed
your hatred of farmers and farming. We are “parasites” remember. Please point out
to me the people involved actively at the forefront of animal welfare, who are normal
meat eating humans. IMHO vegans have invaded this field. But I could be wrong,
so tell me.

If people can count, why did they estimate numbers, as you first claimed? Come
on Nicky, more propaganda. I remind you that some people who work on local
websites, also work on Peta websites and Peta have never let facts get in the way
of a good story. You don’t seem to have a problem with that, as the dreamed
of end, justifies whatever means. That was your claim in the mulesing
debate.

I actually have some time for Hugh Wirth, but on the live trade issue, I don’t blame
authorities for not letting him near the boat, for I have yet to see, where on this
issue, he has an objective opinion. All comments that I have seen from him,
are black and white, just like you. He goes on about sheep standing in their
own excrement. Perhaps he has never been to Africa, to see what great flooring
that people make, from ruminant dung. People stamp it down and as it dries,
they live on the stuff! Sheep spend their summers camped on sheep camps,
surrounded by their own “excrement” or sheep pellets. Perhaps sheep are not
Hugh’s field of expertise. Some vets know more about pets.

Dead sheep? Simple, grind em up into fish food. Now why would the captain
store those dead sheep on board? Even you will land up being eaten one day,
be it fish food or worm food or whatever. That is nature for you.

Our standards are enforced. Read them, shipping companies have to comply
with them. Read the Countryman stories about what happens on board.

Fact is Nicky, if it does not suit your agenda, you are not interested, as we well
know by now.

Nicky said

The only person/people...

Pale replies

Nicky that is untrue. Your attacks against us run thick and are a matter of record.

May I remind you among other things (and there have been many) not so long ago you came head hunting into our Muslim thread and accused this organization of supporting FGM.

I requested rather nicely I thought under the circumstances that you withdraw it.

Instead of that you just continued as you are now.

Tell me Nicky making accusations of that kind how do you think that’s will help animals?

Nicky said

And why, for heavens ...

Pale replies
The simple answer is you picked up on the argument of the read meat made some good arguments.



Nicky said
I doubt whether Animals Australia ...

Their credibility is pretty good.

pale says
Depends who you ask.

Nicky said
And they, and Glenys personally (who, incidentally, I do not regard as a friend, nor she me), have every right to choose not to work with you. What you say is "not good enough" appears to have the support of AA's substantial membership, whether you like it or nor, so perhaps it's time to get over it.

Pale replies

Nicky I will come right out and say it. You are being I think dishonest. It’s been very clear from your first aggressive insult directed to us you’re very much involved with AA and PETA= who simply hate us and our efforts to open plants.


One would think they would be pleased someone formed MOU with Muslims leaders to work to improve Animal Welfare. Considering their interest in Halal Slaughter you could be forgiven for being stunned by their refusal to sit and talk direct with the very people in a position to help with the animals.

Nicky said

Small slaughterhouses ...

pale replies
Who said small ones? Because they refused to help?

Oh, and I bet I know your reliable source. Perhaps if that person had also attended they might be better informed.

Do not come in here telling us you’re independent because clearly you are not!