Rehctub, I am suprised that Harvey Beef are marketing over your
way, as they have the whole of SE Asia on their doorstep from
here.

As to freight to the ES, it is lower then you think. Reason being
that alot of processed goods come this way, with trucks going back
empty. So they will do really great deals, as no freight on the
way home is not very profitable.

Its about 4 years ago now, but I used to fly stuff into Sydney and
Melbourne for around 1$ a kg. Trucking containers would be much
cheaper.

Gertrude, 45% of the Livecorp budget is spent on animal welfare.
Perhaps you object to money being spent for that purpose, but it
beats me why. How much taxpayers money do you think is being spent
in the ME per year, the amount which you object to? I remind you
that farmers finance the overwhelming part of the MLA budget.

Nicky, I don't think much your long distance trucking proposals.
Have you ever unloaded a double B

Dear Lolly Legs:)

Thank You for confirming my description of past Er, policy`s. +

I agree I quoted some history. These days its just a case of same horse different rider.

The system is ``well oiled ``:)

btw Last Time I spoke with Gary and Alex they were very much still involved in the industry.

Mind you men of few words.

One of our lawyers who assists us in Animal Welfare and HKM`s brother knows them.

l and we hope to be meeting them personally in the future .

Nicky you would like this Lawyer he’s taken a big interest in the WA case in his own personal time.

I was surprised to see the amount of research he’s done and talked to colleagues about possibly actions etc.
We can talk about that later.

http://www.teysbros.com.au/

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&cr=countryAU&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=teys+brothers+australia+abattoirs&spell=1

I do agree however there is a large shift and it’s of course Halal.

Here are some of the players. Malaysia is to be the Halal Hub of the world.
Believe me that is something I do know about. Quite a bit than you may I respectfully suggest.=

Country in Focus

Brazil’s Future Cash Cow - The Global Halal Meat Sector Last Updated: Jan 28, 2008, 09:36

By Kamarul Aznam Kamaruzaman, The Halal Journal
Jan 28, 2008, 09:21

By international definitions, Brazil today is a middle-income earner rather than a poor country. Its Gross Domestic Product (GDP) again surpassed a trillion US Dollars, its economy makes up one-third of the region’s and eighth largest in the world in terms of purchasing power parity. Inflation is at its lowest in decades and new forms of credit have led to a sustainable growth in domestic consumption.
Such stable economic conditions have enabled Brazil to register rapid economic expansion in recent years. Gone were the days of stratospheric inflation rates, reaching 2,500% in 1993.
http://www.afic.com.au/

Hi all
Just a quick check in because I've been missing in action with a research paprt to complete. PALE, sorry, I haven't had a chance to look at your links yet, but I will.

Yabby, the issue that is always is the standout with you is that you always sidestep is how the animals are treated in the Middle East (and SE Asia). As for all that LiveCorp money (and don't tell me it's not taxpayers' money either) being spent on "animal welfare", exhaustive enquiries (within the "pastoral" sector) reveal that no-one can tell me:-

1. How many animal welfare training programs have been conducted, country by country, say in the last five years

2. Precisely how many Australian people are in the ground, country by country, specifically to address animal welfare, over the last five years

3. How it is that the very same people in MLA's promotional video showing people being trained in handling Australian animals were filmed, very shortly afterwards, brutalizing Australian sheep.

PALE, that WA Hansard document you provided had a couple of interesting points which reflect badly on the WA government - it says that the RSPCA should be reminded that it is funded by the State government and should conform with government policy (i.e. pro-live exports). I reckon your lawyer should go for Ravlich over the "Al Kuwait" case, because it's far worse than impropriety; it has a strong smell of corruption surrounding it. Finally - may I suggest that you take the HSI route, if that looks promising? They have plenty of credibility.

Yabby, what's ROFL (I think I've guessed, but put it down to a sheltered life) and why do you call PALE Gertrude? Also, your analogies are always good for a laugh. We can't not bleed the last few cents out of every sheep, now can we?

I saw a report that a Brazilian outfit bought up a whole lot of slaughterhouses in Victoria and Tasmania recently. Could it be that they are smarter than Australians?

Cheers
Nicky
PS Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Packer was cremated.

Nicky, I certainly don’t sidestep how animals are treated in the ME. I just don’t
take your defeatist attitude. 16million animals are imported into the ME, ours
is just a small share. If there is a problem, start to change it. Walking away will
solve nothing for anyone.

Peter Dundon reports a very different picture then you do from the ME and he is
there every day.

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/wa/content/2006/s2205191.htm

If you look around you should be able to hear what he said, as it was broadcast
yesterday. What he is saying is that you guys are not reflecting a true picture
and I would have to agree with him. You have an agenda. You hate farmers,
hate meat eaters, you have your own little wierd philosophy of life. So you
are unable to be objective about the whole story, for you think that we should
not be even breeding livestock. No matter what we farmers do, you will spend
you moments doing nothing but nitpick and complain.

You want farmers to be forced to supply a captive market, in your next
breath you will say that they are a business and should act like one. Make up
your frigging mind lol.

If you take a look at the MLA budget, by far the majority of funding is grower
levies. The Govt funds dollar for dollar on some research programmes, the
majority of that goes to universities etc. So any contribution to animal welfare
in the ME, coming from the Govt would be minimal. AFAIK from the animal rights
movement it is NIL.

Nicky, the Al Kuwait case was thrown out of court. You are a bad loser!

What last few cents out of sheep? There is no good reason other then lack of
competition, that WA farmers can be paid 50% less then their Eastern States cousins
on some sheep. You seem to want to increase that to 80%. I am sure that
Roger Fletcher loves you dearly!

I note that old ships, taken off the Australia trade, are now carrying cattle from
Brazil to the ME. So much for your-standards.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2007/s2206158.htm

There you go Gertrude. In your own backyard, a meatworks plans
to close, due to no workers.

You can preach to the world from the Gold Coast, yet things
are falling down right in your own backyard of Queensland.

Which is my point. People like AA don't even have the foggiest
about the real world, as they shuffle their papers for a living,
just like Nicky.

At some point Nicky, you should thank farmers for being some
of the few in this country who can actually generate export
dollars, so you paper shufflers can enjoy your cushy lifestyles.

Clearly you lot are unable to accept the realities of the global
market that we face.

Instead you tippytoe through the tulips of some fantasy world.

All very romantic lol.

Hi all
Dear Yabby, talk about preaching to the converted! The Country Hour is produced for FARMERS (as a local presenter once painstakingly explained to me; i.e. don't bother them with animal welfare issues).
Peter Dundon is paid BY WHOM?
BTW - did you know that the latest BIG PROJECT on the welfare of exported animals is being done BY A STUDENT, in a "simulated" feedlot, and on a "simulated" ship" (that is, I'm told, they put half a dozen sheep in a room which rolls and sways to see what happens. Murdoch University, they tell me.
Did you happen to watch the ABC production "Rain Shadow" about two vets (Rachel Ward and Victoria Thaine) in a fictional drought declared part of SA, where the local farmers are supported by the vet to load up their OJD infected sheep for the Middle East. Interesting stuff, I thought. Total fiction, of course. Farmers would NEVER load sick animals for export (I must've been seeing things the times I saw it happen).
Farmers actually contribute very little in terms of export earnings, if you have a look at ABS statistics.
As for Brazil - have you seen me praise Brazil? For example, the ill-fated "Corriedale Express", now the "Kenoz" tortures animals from there. Here we have the "Torrens" (look it up - it's the old "Farid F").
What's AFAIK?
Nite nite
Nicky