Dear Yabby, you seriously overestimate, as always, the contribution of agriculture to the present and even the past economy.

Maybe before we got serious technology, and the secondary and teriary sectors developed, you made a contribution of significance, but agriculture is all but dead.That's why we can't understand why governments fall all over you with subsidies, and Centrelink payments (out of my tax dollars, and I can't get paid for running a failing business or otherwise fall on hard times) if it's wet, or it's dry, or it's hot, or it's cold. Certainly if payroll and other taxes apply to other businesses and industries they should apply to live exporters (but they sidestep a lot of that with their foreign ships and crews, of course. No OH&S to speak of or worry about either), and do you have a problem with animal welfare regulations if you have nothing to hide?

One of Australia's best exports these days is in fact education, including distance learning (you should try it. Broaden your mind), and encompassing technology.

Part of the reason for the pandering to the live export industry is the other products Australia exports to the Middle East (Toyota Camrys are a good example of value adding, and provide a decent number of jobs (the closure of Mitsubiushi in South Australia notwithstanding). So you subscibe to the Economist - if you don't relate it to ABS data, you are wasting your money.

As for proof of Mr Dundon's terminal lethargy in the Middle East (and he mustn't be very good at what he does, since the very same people he "trained" have been filmed abusing animnals following his "training") - of course, you won't do it because you don't want to see it or believe it - Animals Australia could hardly have made up the film footage and photographs on their website. Sorry!

Cheers
Nicky

*but agriculture is all but dead.*

Hehe Nicky, apart from feeding you lot every day, agriculture remains Australia’s
Number 2 exporter! That achieved, by a tiny % of the population, some of the
most efficient farmers in the world.

Yes, education services are an exporter, after having billions of $ shoved up the
butts of universities, by us taxpayers. Who generated the wealth to be able
to build those universities in the first place? Farmers of course!

I remind you again of the fundamentals. Without farming, Australia would be
a banana republic and your well being is due to farming. Admit it, the achievements
of farming, still today, make your subsidised education achievements look like
chickenshit :) Compare the ABS figures if you like.

How many billions were shoved up the butts of the car manufacturers? For how many
exports in billions? Think again Nicky.

You depend on farming, as much as you hate it.

So far you have provided no evidence to refute Peter Dundon’s claims. I don’t
expect any, as you don’t have any.

Nicky, its time to enrol in Economics 101, for clearly you don’t even understand
the basics.

Gertrude, I note that the Govt changed its position on the goat abattoir. If you
had something to do with it, well good on you. It seems that we’ll have to take
every case and put it on tv, for anything real to happen

Dear Yabby, more of the usual claptrap. I referred you to the evidence, but clearly, as expected, you haven't looked.

Students actually pay for their degrees (and other education such as Diplomas, etc) - many tens of thousands od dollars, I might add (while also paying to subsidize farmers).

If agriculture is the No. 2 exporter. what do you claim accounts for the majority of exports? After all, ABS stats show that agriculture contributes something like 3% of GDP, in recent years (or didn't you read my earlier reference either?

Thought not.
Nite nite,
Nicky

What's AFAIK? = As far as I know.

Nicky said

*but agriculture is all but dead.*

As for proof of Mr. Dundon's terminal lethargy in the Middle East (and he mustn't be very good at what he does, since the very same people he "trained" have been filmed abusing animals following his "training") - of course, you won't do it because you don't want to see it or believe it - Animals Australia could hardly have made up the film footage and photographs on their website. Sorry!

Pale requests. Nicky have you got a copy of the MOU between Australia and ME doc pls? And what are the agreed terms conditions from Australia as to who has investigation powers to enforce this MOU.

I would have thought a MOU was pretty weak given the past events however perhaps a Government to Government MOU has “special powers that the UN could look into. Umm, I am with Yabby on the export figures sorry.

Yabby,

Well thank you It was the stripper that did it I`M sure :)So Sir Yabbs how do you Peter and his wife? No I didn’t realize he had flown the coup. Perhaps I underestimated you Yabby you seem to have a bit more information.

Tell me your not working as a spider for your poor heros.

You should be careful of this new elite group people are talking about of animal welfare Yabbs.

You said
That has little
to do with the validity of his claims. Either he is right or he is wrong. You have yet
to show where his claims are wrong.

Pale comments
Sorry to disappoint you Yabbs but seen stock her brought for AWB treated like SH up here in QLD .
So as an eye witness my money is on Nicky being more accurate.

So AWB and Elders pay their Staff Through MLA do they? How interesting
Of course I suppose there really isn’t much difference between Austrade and MLA and Elders and AWB anyway:)

So Yabby what are your dogs names btw?

Nicky

FYI
http://www.halaljournal.com/index2.php?page=article&act=show&pid=1320

Sidestory: THE MALAYSIAN HALAL FACTOR
Another difference is stunning prior to slaughter. Unlike the Arab countries, which do not allow the use of stunning in any form, the Malaysian Halal standard does, but only for captive bolt stunning.

Despite this however, the slaughter men had to wait an extra two to three minutes to ensure that the animal is completely dead before continuing with further processing.

Due to the distance and competition from Australia, Skirmunt does not think that Malaysia would significantly increase their orders any time soon. But he does seem to be optimistic when speaking of other Middle East potentials.

“So far, our Middle East clients never gave us wrong information as far as requirements are concerned. We can have a higher speed of production when we do Halal for them. It’s not so strict in terms of waiting for the animal to assure the condition of the animal, so this has enabled us to do a more regular production,” he said

Due to the distance and competition from Australia, Skirmunt does not think that Malaysia would significantly increase their orders any time soon. But he does seem to be optimistic when speaking of other Middle East potentials.

“So far, our Middle East clients never gave us wrong information as far as requirements are concerned. We can have a higher speed of production when we do Halal for them. It’s not so strict in terms of waiting for the animal to assure the condition of the animal, so this has enabled us to do a more regular production,” he said.

Nicky

I have left several messages for Bidda but have not recieved a call.

Now right now we must go back to the table and I would like others there.

Without going into too much on this forum we have a very good chance to turn some things around.

This is what I mean by everyone working together and without that we are doomed.

Could you pls email us off this site through our web page.

Nicky and all points of interest

http://www.halaljournal.com/?page=article&act=show&pid=1449&PHPSESSID=2adfdd6f9cc955ecb255a93a5875355c

SC wooing foreign fund managers to Malaysian Islamic fund market Last Updated: Apr 02, 2008, 19:08

By Bernama
Apr 02, 2008, 19:12

KUALA LUMPUR, March 31 (Bernama) -- The Securities Commission (SC) is in talks with a few fund managers from the United States, Europe and the Gulf countries on establishing their operations in the Islamic fund management market in Malaysia.

"We welcome global fund managers to set up business in the Islamic fund management market. There will be no restrictions for them," SC chairman Datuk Zarinah Anwar said at a briefing on the SCs 2007 Annual Report here today.

They will however have to keep out of the conventional fund management market here - "Not for the time being as weve already got five strong foreign fund companies," she said.

The regulator had in 2005 issued licences to five foreign firms to carry out stockbroking operations here as part of the government's efforts to make the country an attractive centre for the management of regional and global funds.

The five are Aberdeen Asset Management, BNP Paribas Asset Management, Nomura Asset Management, Templeton Asset Management and Credit Agricole Asset Management.

On initial public offerings (IPOs) by companies seeking listing on Bursa Malaysia, Zarinah said the number of IPOs is likely to grow this year despite the uncertainties in the global economy.

"There are a lot of uncertainties in the global market now but, judging by the proposals in the pipeline so far, it seem that there will be growth," she said.

SC has already approved six IPOs this year while another 14 IPOs are pending consideration.

In 2007, there was a fall in IPOs fund raising, from RM4 billion in 2006 to RM2 billion, due to the smaller size of the IPOs. However, the non-IPO fund raising saw a three-fold increase to RM11.8 billion.

There was also significant improvement in the quality of proposals received as reflected by three rejections compared with 40 in 2006.