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I was refering to health. Like in Victoria. Did you hear about that.?

The Government wrote internal letters to the Drs in and around the areas where they suspected people may have purchased effected meat. However they didnt go public with it.

Did the ALP lie about live exports before the election?

Minister says live export trade is here to stay

Friday, 28/03/2008

The Federal Agriculture Minister has reassured Territory pastoralists he
won't be shutting down the live export trade.

He's been speaking at the 24th annual NT Cattlemen's Association
conference in Darwin, and Alice Plate is there.

Facing a room full of pastoralists, who last year sent 256,000 cattle
through the Port of Darwin to South-East Asia, Agriculture Minister Tony
Burke was out to please.

His message to animal welfare groups, looking to stop the live export
industry, was: "Don't look at me".

Mr Burke said the trade would not be threatened under the Labor
Government.

Nicky it would seem to me now if not before is a very good time to hold this meeting and try to turn around some of the slaughtering to be carried out here in Australia. Its doable but only if they others help by attending these meetings imop. Requires everybody there.

RSPCA have nodded to it but like I said they dont have to knowledge by themselves to address certain issues.
Everyday this is left more and plans are going into building plants in Asia. If we dont do this now it will be too late forever.


Yabby
It requires people to think outside the square. You treat these people as valued workers
Regardless I have dealt with worse than meat workers. Most of them are honest blokes looking to feed their famlies.

Burkes advisor has expressed great interest in the aboriginal and regional projects- but we really needed others to assist with reports.

Its too big Nicky doing it all alone and AA should get behind it.


Thats not having a shot at you Nicky either. Just telling it like it is.

Hi all
PALE, here is the link to the Handle with Care Report (if that doesn't work, the RSPCA National website takes you to Handle with Care, then go to downloads, and it's the report on long distance transport.

http://www.wspa.org.au/ldt_handlewithcare/images/x_images/publicfiles/Report_LDT.pdf

Thanks for that link. Was there any outcome to that enquiry that you know of?

Yabby, I do appreciate the business tips. I had a management consulting business in Victoria which was actually very successful - it may have been even more so had I listened to the customer. As it happens, the business had to be operated within certain moral and ethical constraints, issues which the live export industry does not concern itself with, because, let's face it, it is almost totally unmonitored and there are no sanctions for breaches of the "best standards in the world" - which only go as far as the ship. For example, when thousands of animals die on a ship, the slap on the wrist is that the exporter has to allow more space (than is provided for in the "best standards in the world"), or (horror!) carry more antibiotics. Tell me - what peer-reviewed studies (as opposed to industry funded ones) exist on "inanition" - a consequence that can be solely attributed to the stress of long-distance transport? Or the reality of the effects of ammonia fumes? Can you provide us with links to these peer-reviewed studies, because (call me thick if you like) I cannot seem to find any. I can't actually find any information where experts such as Professor Clive Phillips did a whole, multi-destination journey on such a ship as the "Al Kuwait" or maybe the "Torrens", and witnessed handling and slaughter in the Middle East either.

I was interested to hear that Nigel Brown has left MLA - one wonders why. Perhaps his comments in the Gulf Daily News were what did it.

PF. thanks for your information and I'm really glad that the labelling project seems to be happening. Well done.

Cheers
Nicky

Nicky, it seems to me that you don't have the foggiest about how
AQIS work within the food processing industry. They are not control
freaks, that is not their job. They don't issue huge fines either,
for there would not be a company audited by them on a regular basis,
where they don't find fault. I know lol, I've been through plenty
of their audits.

Of course some self reporting takes place, that is in the whole of
the food industry. Are you expecting inspectors on every corner?
Industries suffer from high AQIS charges now, let alone increased ones.

I remind you that it is the best interests of companies shipping
live animals, to keep losses to a minimum. If a thousand sheep die,
they have lost appr 100'000$, which is not to be sneezed at. So it
is in their interest to get things right, for the bottom line is affected.
Wether they are fined a few thousand $ would be insignificant,
in comparison to those losses, so rather pointless.

Inanation is not solely due to long distance transport. We can put
animals in a feedlot and the same happens to a very small %. There
is genetic variability between breeds and between animals. Merinos
happen to be a stressed animal by nature. Its much like people. Some
commit suicide, some starve themselves to death, most are fine.

As we develop new breeds to replace the merino, those issues should
dwindle. Low stress animals are now being selected for.

How to achieve best results on a boat would carry some commercial
confidentiality, as companies compete. It is in companies interests
to use the vets that they employ to their benefit, to do constant
research to improve things. I doubt that they would publish their
trade secrets.

Nicky

Find,Mr. P.D. Omodei:

QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

I want to impress on all members of the house, in particular government members and ministers, that the closure of Harvey Beef pending its negotiations with its financiers, the National Australia Bank, AWB LANDMARK and “ELDERS” the stock agents, “is an issue that could cause irreparable damage to the beef industry in Western Australia should it take longer than one week.”!!

(1) That this house calls on the government to conduct an inquiry into the abattoir industry in Western Australia, and in particular -

(a) The reasons for the closure of Harvey Beef;

And any other matter pertaining to domestic and export abattoirs which inhibits their development and existence.

(2) That the matter be referred to the Economics and-

Mr. P.D. Omodei: The member knows that a committee would not start proceedings for at least a month. If the abattoir does not open in the next week, the whole industry will be in jeopardy.
For example, members have talked about alternative processing capacity. The total unused capacity of operating plants in beef
processing in Western Australia is about 40 000 animals. ?

Mr. P.D. Omodei: Are they all accredited?

Mr. A.D. McRAE: They are not accredited; none of them.
that we agreed and that we should go for it.

Mr. P.D. Omodei: You have been dragged kicking and screaming on every issue.

Mr A.D. McRAE: I address the member directly to indicate that this is not the best action we can take. Indeed, we believe it to be counterproductive.

Mr P.D. Omodei: Why am I not surprised?

Yabby

Your Good Mr -I don’t know why you say all he has to do is get off his bum. He is working- Just for the other Team.

I say it’s a pity Elders didn’t just extend the loan on that Abattoir isn’t it? It may have saved hundreds of workers from the loss of their jobs then homes as they couldn’t pay their mortgages ah,=

Elders are well advanced in planning the Opel ... “There’s a billion dollars of taxpayer money involved here.

http://www.nowwearetalking.com.au/Home/Page.aspx?mid=356#11Oct07 ...

Hi all
Yabby, you proved my point - exactly. The live export industry largely escapes the worst of the AQIS fees, while the meat processing industry has to pay the big bucks (as noted by Heilbron and Lindner). Meanwhile, ships's captains (crews of third world foreign ships) submit mortality figures to AQIS, which believes them, provides a report that is basic in the extreme (in case people like me read it in depth), and nothing of any meaning happens to the miscreants. You should read vet Tony Hill's report from THAT "Sixty Minutes program, too. Smoke and mirrors as always.

If Merinos are "highly stressed" animals, dare one ask why you have chosen to export them IN THEIR MILLIONS - FOR DECADES? Did it not occur to someone in the last three decades or so that perhaps they should have been breeding something a bit different before now? Slow learners, one would suggest. Or perhaps it's true that the ones who are exported are past production of anything else and it's a way of dragging the last few bucks out of the wretched animals.

PALE, I agree that (BTW, what meetings are we talking about at present?) as many people as possible should be present - but apart from the factors in my own life and constraints on my time, my limited expertise in the area you're talking would be of little benefit, I'm afraid. If Animals Australia won't meet with you, why not put your contacts in touch with them, and see if they can bring them to the table?

Cheers
Nicky

PF fyi-

http://209.85.173.104/search?
Nicky fyi see-

q=cache:YHisasx0d0UJ:www.dfat.gov.au/geo/malaysia/fta/scoping_study.doc+aqis+rejects+meat+halal+export+license&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=au

http://www.apfa.com.au/media/article.cfm?mediaid=68

Yabbs

Nicky, it seems ...
Yabby.
Why would Nicky need to know about AQIS?

Ok as you insist we will tell her.

Umm, Nicky the word foggiest is the best way to describe AQIS especially when it comes to ar, accrediting( interesting word) Export licenses for meat- especially Halal.


AQIS 'controls' who exports meat-

You guessed it- Protection of the mates in the live Industrty.

Will do my best to describe an adverage day at the AQIS office.

Phone Rings, Hello Alex is that you? - uncle Binny here
reply: No Binny ,its Mark, Alex had to run.

Bin: Well thats no good has he got that enquiry under control yet?
AQIS: Now dont you worry about that.

Bin: Mark we need another ship load of live sheep.

AQIS: No worries Binny. Same Transport Fees for 'your Not For 'Our NFP 'Sceme'

Bin: Of Coure Mark,

AQIS Sure Binny. Whens the ship coming - We have to have the usual paper.

Bin: Of Course, I am sending it now to Livecourpe for the usual Australian Sercurity check.

AQIS: Good Work Binny - Is it the usual list of forty Mohamedas?

Bin: Thats right Mark.


AQIS: Ok Binny Nice Doing business with you as usual.

Bin: Thanks Mark There is just one more thing- We heard some people were trying to get Halal Accreditations through AQIS to export Halal Meat?

AQIS- Dont you worry about that Binny- Is there anything else I can help you with.?

Bin: Yeh, Mark Tell Alex to pick a smaller heafer next time I couldnt find the vegemite- but I found A whole lot of other stuff like guns and some old map.

AQIS: Sorry Binny you must have got the wrong order.

Bin: And Mark, We saw this picture and wanted to ask you a question.

AQIS Sure Binny,

Bin: We know this is a picture of you - But Whos The Other Bloke?

Just scroll Past The Queen Mark= We thought we could trust you and Alex:)

http://www.livexports.com/queen.html

http://www.livexports.com/cowgun.html
http://www.livexports.com/contacts.html