Rehctub
Umm, Thanks but once the Carcass is cut that’s it – isn’t it.

I mean you cant actually trace each cut can you?

So we can trace a carcass but not really a cut once it`s left the butcher shop.

Most people have no doubt heard the term 'MSA' beef.

This stands for Meat Standards Australia and was introduced as a scheme to allow the sellers to guarantee the product. Not quite that simple but this is another topic.

As part of the proceedures all MSA beef carcases are DNA tested by law.

This testing was introduced so as to be able to trace the origin of the meat should there be a fault, also for detecting substitution.

This testing can be performed even after a piece of meat has been cooked, cooled, even frozen in an un-cooked or cooked state.

Hope this helps to explain.

Hi all
Made it back again. Belly, once again, I truly apologize, and I do value the information you have provided. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough about horseracing; I thought what you were saying was that it might be going on.

Yabby, no-one in Queensland, Victoria or NSW can fix the meat industry in WA, it's people like you who can. If it's a scandal, then why not talk to the people who can, and have a will to fix it?
BTW, it was SO nice of you to call me sweet. Thank you.

PALE, I don't know where Trish Brown is, I'm afraid - isn't she in WA somewhere? Glenys does have a Bachelor of Science degree, but that's about the limit of my knowledge there too - sorry! Have you tried approaching them again? If you can think of where you posted that link to the WA meat enquiry, I'd be really grateful if you could post it again, because I can't find it either. Why do whoever are the farmers' lobby groups not work on this, because they must see that the live export industry is a dying one. I do think you would find Bidda Jones very sympathetic though - I think her email is bjones@rspca.org.au.

Have you read the Australian (transport)report on the Handle with Care site (I warn you, it's huge and I haven't finished it yet!). There isn't much I can do, working full time and not being able to travel much (not just because I am temporarily crippled either - no broken bones, just ligament damage, sprain and severe bruising, thanks for asking). I probably wouldn't be a whole lot of use anyway because I don't know enough, and between work and trying to finish a doctorate I have enough troubles.
Belly - I did do PF's survey, but I don't know if I did it right. I thought it was really worthwhile.

Nite all
Nicky

Thanks Nicky no offense taken ,yes some in racing ,like life are crooks and a few very few would use them.
And yes PF the idea was worth while , but most pork is imported I know of many who went broke but a few run small free range and it pays wages.
yabby sheep? yes he is a victim yes we would love to buy it here but it will not happen without a new player in WA.
That British pig farm, Dave's farm is on lifestyle both carriers Sunday I think well worth a look.

Belly the survey IS worthwhile and the success of it is being put to good use at present.

For those that are interested, the Ministerial enquiry has supported the definition of free range pork as supplied on the APL website so that is good news for the fight for truth in labelling.

Lots of other news in the pipline as a result of that survey.

Belly, yes there is an incredible amount of pigmeat imported into australia but it is not sold as pork. It can only be used in cooked, boneless products like ham and bacon.

rehctub

Thanks for that.

Actually I was on about something else. It will require a whole post to address it. My next comment.

Nicky

http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/hansard/hans35.nsf/NFS/947c9d2bdc1db86748257081002561f6

Re Trish- Last I heard PAACT.

Heather from RSPCA and Bidda would be attending.

Nicky said
Have you tried approaching them again?
pale replies

Yup- Got the standard rely= No rely

Nicky
Why do whoever are the farmers' lobby groups not work on this, because they must see that the live export industry is a dying one.

Pale Replies

Woo No Nicky No. Its very important you understand whats 'really' going on.

To make sure you are talking about the people I *Think you are May I ask to whom you are refering?

Are you refering for example to Farmers Federations are Pastural Groups etc?

I will wait for your answer before I reply so we understand each other clearly.

Thanks For Biddas latest email.

Nicky said

Have you read the Australian (transport)report on the Handle with Care site (I warn you, it's huge and I haven't finished it yet!).

pale replies

I am ashamed to say not yet. Could you post the link pls.

Thats a big job you have and I look forward to hearing it. I say hearing because i will get Antje to read it to me as I drive.

I understand you cant attend the meeting.

Think we should get something on paper between all parties first- ie Muslim Heads and Rabbi Heads.

PF Well done and do share any news with us when your able. Could you post ther link I went onto the APL site but could only find the Enquiry into pork imports.

Yabbs said

I'm told that Roger buys around 40'000 sheep...
My back of the envelope calculation tells
me that he would be picking up an extra 800'000 $ a week on
those figures, which is not to be sneezed at.

Pale replies

Well? What does that tell you you 'ought' to be doing?

Look on the brighter side- You would even have me to help you do it.

What Could possibly go wrong:)

Hehe Gertrude, a starry eyed dreamer like yourself would last about
3 minutes in the meat processing industry. These are cold blooded
rational Darwinians and they spit out people like you before
breakfast :)

Nicky, I did not say that the ES should solve WA's problems.
Lots is happening here that I don't even mention, we'll see where
it leads. If T&R finally get their approval to fire up later this
year, then Fletcher for the first time might have some real
competition in WA, the same for Wammco and others who are fast
asleep, as they face no real competition.

The problem goes back to when Govt ran the industry and it was
illegal for anyone to export lamb but the Govt. The industry
was deregulated in 2000 when Monty House was Minister. He brought
in Fletcher and held his hand to set him up. Kim Chance protested
loudly at the time. Now that Chance is Minister, he won't lift
a finger to make sure that there is actually competition in the
marketplace, or he would wear egg on his face. Farmers have been
the big losers.

Markets tend to only work if there is competition, without it
people get screwed, which is what has been happening here.

The live trade is certainly not dying, its changing. Companies like
Siba ships and Wellards are lifting the standards, with new boats
etc. Customers are the ones who make the end decisions.

If you ever go into business Nicky, you will learn fast, that
if you ignore the customer, you go broke.