What is all the fuss about lamb anyway? Hogget taste so much better!

Thanks all for more great information - especially, PALE those links of yours. One was a study by CSIRO which tested the meat of cattle on which one group had been subjected to prods and the other hadn't. It was a bit scientific, but it seemed clear that the stress the devices cause the animal affect the meat. Any thoughts, Rehctub?

Belly, thanks for the info on horse racing. How does using a prod make the horse respond to a whip? I got lost somewhere in between.

PALE, one of your excellent links was the "Standard" which is what Codes of Practice seem to be called in Tasmania for the sale and transport of bobby calves, and it is quite clear there at least that these devices and others should not be used on calves. So I had a look at some of the other Tasmanian "Standards" (Road Transport and Saleyards specifically), and they say that their use "should be kept to a minimum". Interestingly, Tasmania also states that their use is prohibited in "training" for sporting events - rodeos, I guess. But typically - the prohibition there seems to be voluntary too.

I think I now need to look for the CoPs for other states (bearing in mind that they are voluntary only).

With regard to PF's comment - what do they regard as "lamb" in the Middle East? Yabby, I thought you were going to give me the benefit of your wisdom about that.

Having the foot X-Rayed tomorrow, I've been on the Mersyndol, (and almost anything else that looked like it might work) but can't do the Bundy 'cause (as well as my other miserable habits (or otherwise), Yabby, sorry about this) I don't drink. Now, do try and cheer up and be nice, there's a good lad. We were doing so well there.

Cheers
Nicky

*Avoid cheap lamb as farmers don't usually sell lamb cheaply,*

That might be the case in the Eastern States Rehctub, certainly
not in Western Australia. Due to our lack of competition,
meatworks here do as they like. As I pointed out with one
of my lambs last year, in the end they paid me $16.85 for a
33 kg prime lamb carcass, which had just popped its teeth. Do
you really think it was any different in eating quality, to
other lambs?

No wonder that my neighbour has just sold every sheep on his
property and is going all crop. Screw farmers long enough and
they react eventually. That is why we are trucking in milk from
South Australia to WA right now.

The meat industry in WA is a scandal, that is why we need the
live trade. They are the only honest players in the market.
Without them, things would be even worse.

Nicky, perhaps you should try Getrude's suggestion of the Bundy.
Your posts then might be just as rational as her posts :)

rehctub any debate in this forum about meat becomes one about animal welfare.
Also live animal exports and meat vs vegetarians
Nicky no intent to be rude stingers, that is battery stingers in horse racing are hidden inside the whip.
In training the horses is whipped and stung, during a race the horse fears the whip much more and if it is waved gives its best.
Lets make no mistake, it is cruel but highly unusual to find anyone doing it.
Some horses are worth a million dollars and the the time spent bared from the industry is long.
Yes like every thing some would do it but cattle and sheep once had a whip or sharp prod to help them up the shute.
I just do not think animal cruelty is as bad as we hear in our forum, nore do I think meat exports can ever take the place of all live exports.
I will refrain from describing the thousands of home kill deaths in this country every year yabby has done that many times.
PF is my type of animal welfare activist.

Three questions pls Rehctub.

How does a little lady trace back meats origin from plate to paddock?
Tags numbers are not issued per cut just carcass.

Do you know many other butchers who would be interested in working direct with a plant in WA if we could fund it?

Are all your cuts pre stunned or are some slaughtered Halal?

PF
What is all the fuss about...?

Pale

Agreed just so long as it’s cooked slowly otherwise it’s as touch as old Yabby :)

Belly, I am just wondering why you think whips are ok.

Nicky said
With regard to PF's comment - what do they regard as "lamb" in the Middle East?

Pale comments
Nicky you might find it interesting that many moons ago when the cruel live animal trade began their argument back then was people they have to feed these poor third world countries. They argued Australians never ate Hogget and never would :)

Yabbs said
Ah Gertrude, so you plan to sabotage our meat industry with
Emotion, same tactic as the Catholics!

Gertrude replies

Perhaps it’s the Bundy Yabbs, but other than remaining silent after five segments on 60 minutes about the barbaric cruelty of live animal exports I just can’t make the connection :) _


As a business owner Rehctub would tell you that supplying his customers with good tasting quality food while making a profit is what it’s all about.

Hard times are coming so we Aussies must learn to think outside the square. As you know that’s my special skill :)

Making buying healthier and cheaper cuts hip is part of good marketing as this country goes into a recession down the track.

*If I were a Mum I might buy from my local butcher his veggie and Ham burgers =along with my scripts or guilds as you might call them to save for my kid’s school shoes.

Yep the common decency club* education program has a real ring to it :)

Belly

Woops, I didn’t see you there hiding between the men.

Rehctub Might tell you that Good Quality Meat is a direct result of Animal Welfare as stress and mistreatment result in tough meat.=

http://www.meatupdate.csiro.au/data/MEAT_TECHNOLOGY_UPDATE_00-3.pdf

http://www.csiro.au/news/mediarel/mr1998/mr98111.html

He might also tell you Live Exports affects our supply, prices and quality here in Australia.

Belly said
Nicky no intent to be rude stingers that is battery stingers in horse racing are hidden inside the whip.
In training the horses is whipped and stung, during a race the horse fears the whip much more and if it is waved gives its best.
Let’s make no mistake; it is cruel but highly unusual to find anyone doing it…..
.pale comments

You’re wrong Belly it’s just so few are checked and it’s used in training a lot. Only a Bully would use such tactics.

Belly said
I just do not think animal cruelty is as bad as we hear in our forum, more do I think meat exports can ever take the place of all live exports.

Pale replies
Belly based on what? Would you mind sharing your wealth of knowledge with the rest of us pls the RSPCA would welcome any evidence of being proved wrong I am sure?

http://www.rspca.org.au/campaign/fairgo_petition.asp

http://www.rspca.org.au/campaign/liveexport.asp

http://www.rspcavic.org/campaigns_news/campaigns_handle_with_care.htm

Belly said=

I will refrain from describing the thousands of home kill deaths in this country every year yabby has done that many times.

Pale comments-
That’s mighty big of you Belly. Personally given the choice I would “much” prefer to see Animals Slaughtered on the farm than chased and stressed and transported before slaughter. Most farmers have a pretty good idea where to place a bullet.

PF is my type of animal welfare activist.

PF is doing a very good job in the pork industry and should have far more support from all Animal Welfare Organizations. She’s the face of Australians human treatment of small farm animals.

You know what Belly, even if cruelty and stress to animals didn’t effect the meat quality- which it does, I`m just wondering what type of bully would not even give a dam.
Any idea?