BOAZ: "... you do love the adhominem don't you 'You are dishonest/Hypocrite'
My response? I'll just stick to the issue."

After analyzing your posts and looking for evidence to support you assertions and finding none; but instead finding
(a) false statements and
(b) highly selective and non-authoritative sources and
(c) you practising what you tell others not to do,
what am I supposed to call you? I can't reply to the substance of your posts because they are vacuous and inane, full of fear and hate, but empty of substance - and anything but just 'sticking to the issue'.

You are on an abysmal par with Banjo whose latest rant against multiculturalism claims that Australia "wrongly gives the impression that migrants can carry on exactly as they did in their country of origin". No evidence, no substance. Ignores the host of evidence to the contrary. A BOAZ-like post.

FrankGol,

You made some good points earlier as well.

Banjo,
Such a relief to read a comment thats getting closer to the mark.

Your right of course but we can’t blame the people coming here.

How can we blame these poor people?

By large I think they have really tried and done a good job of settling in without any lectures or workshops to help with practical problems.

Umm I don’t see Greeks, and the likes, needing the same, work shops as the Muslim faith people because they have experience of dealing with seperate laws of religion and laws as two separate issues.

Can you just imagine how different confusing and scary it would be to be in a different country not fully understanding our complicated legal system.

Being brought up the whole of your life to see anybody challenging the Islam laws as sinful.

Being terrified of not following the Mosque and the Islamic School teacher.

Then after all that suddenly being told you had to defy the only laws you had ever known and being scared of upsetting Allah.

Apart from that just imagine the huge insult they would feel at having their laws, religion challenged suddenly.

Banjo the Dads lock up their sons and forbid them to go out on the town clubbing and taking drugs and chasing the girls terrified of what they will become.

Same of course with the daughters but often that’s not such a challenge as the daughters tend not to go out as much nights alone anyway.

You have got a lot of angry confused young men who feel they don’t fit in and nobody is doing anything about it in the Government.

Would it be wiser if the Government lectured these parents first?

You know sort of said Look let the boy go out to a few clubs and blab la and give the reasons why.

The Government care more about their trade deals than the public so of course they make special exceptions for Halal and other trade deals that they shouldn’t.

It totally misleads the Muslim Leaders as well.

Well, that's it for me on this thread - as soon as PALE starts swamping the pages with her personal crusade, I'm out of here.
(Where is the moderator on this forum?)

BTW I AM against cruelty to animals especially the ones we exploit for food,

BUT

This is about the fact that the majority of Muslims ARE moderate and unfortunately, many "average Aussies" are completely unaware of this truth.

The crux of the matter is what causes religious extremists?, given the majority of religious people are moderate.

Pale,
I disagree with some of what you said.

Firstly, I think it is far better to give prospective migrants information about our society BEFORE they make a commitment to come here, than to give them lectures when they arrive.

If some change their mind and don't come because of that information, so be it. We have a responsibility to be open and honest with them.

Secondly, All prospective migrants should get the same information, in their national language. Muslims should not be treated any different to others. Thee ae many other cultures that are very different to ours.

Thirdly, I understand that muslims keep a very tight reign on their daughters, but allow their sons to almost do as they please. The main problem we have in Aus is with Lebanese muslims and their social conduct, especially how they treat and address females. Lebanese are the biggest muslim group numericlly, but we actually seem to have only occasional problems with other muslims.

If 93% of muslims class themselves as moderate, it means that 7% hold extreme views. That equates to more than 21000 extremists are in Aus. I think that figure is rather high, so maybe the survey does not relate to Aus.

Fractelle

Pale receives the same amount of posts as others. Your swamping theory is rubbish. According to your record you joined olo for the first time only on the 2...2. 2008.

Do not be so quick to judge us without knowing all the facts. In particular Muslim faith people who basically get a raw deal because of the lack of guidance from the Government.
Like a good parent so must the Australian Government rule with a firm but caring hand.

One would hope, you would do a lot more research, before attacking our organization and btw we have many Muslim Members doing a fantastic job.

Animal libbers attacking us is getting a tad of a bore.

Most Aussies are not aware of the truth and Banjo is correct they need work shops 'before' coming.

I know you preach religion has served its time and that’s your right.

However religion is very important to the Muslim People.

We need to find ways to express to them we support them one hundred percent on their right to practice their religion.

That is so long as they are not demanding Australia change laws or make exceptions because of their religion.( Which is what is happening now) I blame the Government full stop.

If your too arrogant to listen to the only people that know the leaders outside Governments or the Mosques that’s your problem and goodbye.

The Australian Government sends out mixed messages to the Muslim leaders who in return lead the Muslim faith people.

We can not blame Muslim people under those circumstances if there are misunderstandings. It simply isn’t their fault.

In the next few posts I intend to show examples of the Australian Government contempt for us and the deceitful way in which they conduct business away from the public’s eye.
No wonder many Muslim people don’t know if they are Arther or Marther and no wonder why there are problems that trust me will only get worse.

Do not blame Muslim Leaders or people blame the Australian Government for being two faced and giving out mixed messages.

PALE: You state "However religion is very important to the Muslim People" You make this sound as if Muslim's are a nationality or ethnic race. Islam is the religion, Muslim's are those followers of Islam. So of course religion is is important to Muslims- without it they would not be Muslim.

You state "We need to find ways to express to them we support them one hundred percent on their right to practice their religion." Who is stopping them? Muslims are free to pursue their religion in Australia.

"That is so long as they are not demanding Australia change laws or make exceptions because of their religion.( Which is what is happening now) I blame the Government full stop" What the? That makes no sense what so ever.

You state "In particular Muslim faith people who basically get a raw deal because of the lack of guidance from the Government. Like a good parent so must the Australian Government rule with a firm but caring hand." I don't think so PALE. The Government is not responsible for acting like a good parent for anyone. My goodness, where do you get these things from? State and Religion- not to be in each others pocket- neither one should legislate for the other.