Vanilla slice.... u are indeed my fav :)

but self delusional? hmmmm I guess I have my share of that.

Am I 'not a nice person' ? well.. I'm sure there are those who feel that way at times. But generally I get along well with all.

I could ask you the same questions.... but the ones I'd ask you are:

Do you look at evidence, and then, without actually researching it, draw conclusions that it is 'thus and so' then.. project animosity based on those unresearched ideological conclusions to others.. like.. me ?

You see.. I'll start taking you seriously, when you start taking the key portions of the Quran seriously, and connecting them with the problem of Islamic radicalism which we all face now.

9:29
9:30

are the keys.
You could examine the context, and how such verses have been applied by Mohammad, given that there could be no better interpreter of these words than he who penned them.

Its called 'objective reasearch' you might like to try it sometime.

blessings

Boazy: "Its called 'objective reasearch' (sic) you might like to try it sometime"

You are such a wag, Boazy! You wouldn't know objective research if you fell over it, let alone know how to conduct it.

Boazy: "Do you look at evidence, and then, without actually researching it, draw conclusions that it is 'thus and so' then.. project animosity based on those unresearched ideological conclusions to others.. like.. me ?"
No.

Boazy: "I'll start taking you seriously, when you start taking the key portions of the Quran seriously, and connecting them with the problem of Islamic radicalism which we all face now."
Ok.

PALE, I don't know anything about any dealings you have had with Graham Young about Emanuels, and as I have said on the other thread, I would imagine that you don't know any more about Emanuels than Animals Australia does. Naming people on OLO does not seem to constitute any particular innovation or courage when the information you seem to be talking about is quite readily available.

Your problem is you trap yourself all the time by having an incoherent tantrum every time people disagree with you. That's where you went wrong in your FGM response.

Your arrangements with your "Muslim leaders" seem to be pretty flexible since you want to invite people you don't even know to attend these "meetings", given that there are apparently no binding agreements in place for anything at all. How many "Muslim leaders" are we talking about, by the way, since you profess to be an authority on Muslim thought?

Just going back to the Senate RR&T submissions for the last time - since you did not address any of the criteria in the Private Members Bill, you should get some feedback from the committee about the extent to which they were taken seriously. In these cases, you would have done well to follow the format of some of the more expert submissions, and there were some very good ones. If you want to address animal welfare in different fora, you need to learn to do it in a way that is relevant to the particular subject criteria (from what I recall, live export was not a significant part of the Private Members Bill, for example) and in the correct format, or politicians just file it in the bin.

Nicky

Nicky

The subs you speak about were lodged by the Muslim leaders of Australia RSPCA QLD and PALE.
Veggie organisations as you know do not get involved with reopening abattoirs.
We understand that. That does not mean our organisation should not work just as hard making the arrangments that we think will make a difference.

In fact many organisations working on the same problems in different ways is a good thing.

Regarding the live exporters who complained about being publicly named on the net our point simply was that perhaps you have seen a good example that they do not like to be known or named in public.

There was a little hint in their for yourself and those working with you.

Here is a list which we already provided to Animals Australia some time ago

http://www.livexports.com/contacts.html

Actually Lyn White contacted us by phone to thank us. We often send information and I know they appreciate it especially Lyn.

Your childish attacks ongoing at our organisation are I suppose one the the saddest things I have seen for the good name of animal welfare.

You do nothing for the thousands of people working to improve Animal Welfare in this country and elsewhere.

The good people we work with at RSPCA QLD make such an effort to present their arguments to the Government along with all the branches and also hundreds of other groups including pale.

Perhaps if you put as much energy into doing likewise it may be more helpful to the animals that need everybody working to bring about the changes required.

We wont be responding to you on olo again.

Yeah, right, PALE. Since you do not know me, and do not know what I do or for or with whom, yours are the usual sweeping, uninformed statements you habitually make about your critics.

Why is it we see no EVIDENCE of what you do/have done, other than a website promoting slaughterhouses? Compare your website to Live Export Indefensible and LiveExportShame.com and see the differences. It's very sad really. That contact information is readily available from ASIC and other sources. You must have noticed by now that those whom you say you have publicly named do not give a damn about that, and Animals Australia most certainly would already have had that information.

If your Muslim friends submitted those submissions, which I doubt, they should have sought advice on procedure and format and had someone proof read them first.

Now do stick to your word and don't respond again.

Nicky