SUBMISSION TO THE SENATE COMMITTEE FOR RURAL AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS AND TRANSPORT
ANIMAL WELFARE BILL, 2003 PRIVATE MEMBERS BILL
SUBMISSION FROM (AFIC) AUSTRALIAN FEDERATION Of ISLAMIC COUNCIL AND COUNCILS IN CONJUNCTION WITH (HKM) HALAL KIND MEATS, PALE AND RSPCA QLD
(HKM)and the AFIC are aware of a Court hearing regarding a Western Australia charges that have been laid and whilst supportive of this and anything against Animal cruelty would like to stress that until an alternative method has been developed within Australia it will continue to happen. We must have an alternative to fix the Animal Welfare in this country.

Australian Federation of Islamic Councils AFIC) and HKM are working hard and would seek everybody’s Cooperation and assistance to do so.
Perhaps the best way is to focus on all farm animal feedlots including dairy cattle, battery chooks and all things mentioned under this Bill.

Again the evidence of animal cruelty is well documented so we will work to alleviate the problem.

(AFIC)in conjunction with HKM RSPCA QLD PALE supports the complete overhaul of the way in which the inspections are carried out in ships carrying animals overseas. (AFIC) in conjunction with RSPCA QLD (HKM) recognises that there is no way we can ensure good Animal Welfare in other Countries where we have no powers and again supports free ranged farms in Australia.

My point exactly. Exactly what section of the Private Member's Bill does this purport to address?
Nicky

http://www.halaljournal.com/?page=article&act=show&pid=1403&PHPSESSID=006845c1148974db40b4dd37ca6ac1c2
Getting back to this threads intention some might find some actual Information regarding what is happening with Muslim Faith People-interesting

Halal finance is as important as halal meat Last Updated: Mar 13, 2008, 14:10

By gaapweb.com
Mar 13, 2008, 10:06

The Islamic finance industry, driven by Muslim developments, is making headway in the West, it has been claimed.

Junaid Bhatti, Islamic finance expert and director of Ballencrieff House, stated that Islamic compliant finance products are not just popular with Muslims, but also people of other religions.

"There are three main factors driving the growth of sharia-compliant finance in the European markets - Muslim customers, non-Muslims looking for ethical finance and finally the governments themselves," he explained.

Halal finance products protect funds from unethical businesses or activities and there has been an increasing trend among westerners to try and live their lives by certain ethical principles, he added.

With over 50,000 UK Islamic finance customers and a worldwide industry growth rate of between 15 per cent and 20 per cent, the products are growing in popularity, Mr Bhatti claimed.

Last year, the Chartered Institute of Management Accountants launched its first qualification in Islamic Finance, giving those in accountancy jobs the chance to develop the skills necessary in the £250 billion industry.


The proposal by these people quite clearly was ignored by many.
The vast funds that travel throughout the Halal meat industry is the keys to working with Muslim people world wide.

Here are just a few of the projects the people are involved in-

http://www.halaljournal.com/?page=article&act=show&pid=1407

Yikes.. I see I stilllll have work to do in counselling young CJ and Vanilla slice.

CJ.. you said:

You are such a wag, Boazy! You wouldn't know objective research if you fell over it, let alone know how to conduct it.

COMMENT: err yet again you are sticking pins into your BD doll.. not a shred of actual debate the points I raised.

I claimed these verses from the Quran along with Mohammad's own behavior and subsequent statement"s show that they are the key to understanding Islamic radicalism.

Your comprehensive and solidly argued response "Boazy, ur such a wag"

CJ.. haven't I told you often enough PEOPLE LOOK at what you write :)
and ur using your REAL name here... for crying out loud.. do you want to become the laughing stock of your peers?

Responding to well supported claims about ideas which could easily result in great damage to Australia and its people and you in all your smug brilliance come up with 'ur a wag' .... sheesh.

As I said to Slice.. IF.. you feel there is a problem with the understanding I am drawing from the material itself.. ARGUE IT.. and do so using the earliest documents and sources.

OH.. I had a good convo on the phone with Aziza Abdel-Halim.. and we discussed the news article where she was quoted about the time table matter.

Her understanding of Islam is what might be termed 'historic/contextual' and 'flexible' She appears to be of the 're-interpret Islam' school. That's fine, but my concern is for those who would try to impose a much more literal view on even her.

Ended up me inviting her to give me an hour to convert her, and she (smilingly) said "Oh..it might be the other way around".. aah. .all good.

Boazy: "She appears to be of the 're-interpret Islam' school. That's fine, but my concern is for those who would try to impose a much more literal view on even her."

Boazy, you may recall that this thread is about the 93% of Muslims who consider themselves "moderate". However, it seems that as a rabidly fundamentalist Christian, you can't conceive that Muslims are as capable of reinterpreting their book of sacred myths as the great majority of Christians are.

To those of us who aren't indoctrinated into literal interpretations of ancient mythology, your concerns seem just a tad one-eyed - for most of us, your persistent efforts at "imposing a much more literal view" of the the Bible (excluding, of course those nastier bits that you choose to ignore) on everybody else are just as abhorrent as those of peaceful fundamentalist Muslims.

That is why you are incapable of recognising and producing objective research. You don't actually know what it is.

"..yet again you are sticking pins into your BD doll"

As I keep on telling you Boazy, that's your fantasy, not mine. You're into the hocus pocus and mumbo jumbo, not me. I'd rather stick with verifiable independent evidence and rationality, thanks.

Finally, you do seem to be contravening your recent claimed antipathy to ad hominem argument a lot this weekend - is it something to do with an excess of religious fervour?

Speaking of which, isn't it lovely that Easter and Mohammed's birthday coincided this year? Happy Birthday Mohammed!

aah CJ

dare I say it? yes.. I will.... you attacked 'me'.. not my argument :)

I think you missed it.. I said I was concerned about 'others' imposing a more rigid intepretation on HER...

When I said she is of the 'flexible' interpretive school, you don't seem to appreciate what that means in the Islamic context. It's a huge HUGE divide between Muslims.

As I've said.. regarding F.H.s brand of Islam, I don't see it as a threat.. nor do I see hers to be particularly troublesome, but then, I believe I know enough about "Islam" now, to say that neither F.H. or Aziza reflect the historic version, that's my opinion.

Now..they might disagree with me there, and that's fine, so the resolution of the matter boils down to certain identifiable criteria.

-Status of the Quran "Word of Allah for all mankind for all time" ?
-Status of Mohammad "Example to be emulated for all time"?
-Reasons for the difference between 'Western' Muslim interpretations and those held by people in Muslim countries where they have power.

Now..if it can be shown that 'flexible/contextual' interpretations of Islam are invalid, that leaves the 'Islamist/radical' approach.

Objective research will recognize all the above, and then also realize that there will always be a division between sects and branches of Islam. This in no way diminishes our responsiblity to analyse it and identify implications for our own societies.