“The Government is making jack arses out of us…...”
Meaning= they are making jack arses out of the average Australian public= Not the Moderate Muslims.
I am not speaking about the moderate Muslims for goodness sake!
You have absolutely no idea do you.

Granted you would have to have a basic idea of trade to comment which you clearly don’t have.

You would also have to have a slight understanding of the roles of both Federal and State Governments in trade and the difference between both.

You would also have to have a basic idea of Islam and Muslims which again you clearly don’t have.
I can’t see the point in trying to converse with people like yourself or prior poster.

The only poster that has shown a hint of a curious mind here that might have understood our information would have to be Bango.

The only thing I have gained from this thread personally is total understanding why everybody calls Bozie all sorts of things.

We have always sort of stood up for him thinking other posters were a bit hard.

Not so now- He has displayed the same arrogant reluctance to listen and really learn about the difference between Islamic Council in Australia.

Not ALL leaders are trading with extreme Islamic council’s world wide but many are. Do have even the SLIGHTEST IDEA how that could effect this country.

BTW This is with ‘Government assistance’ and you are paying for it from your taxes. Your tax money that should be going to improve your children’s and grandchildren’s life is going into extreme Islamic organizations.

Let me tell all of you who think you know so much about Muslims in Australia.
You know nothing about the leaders and it’s clear you don’t wish to.
No wonder why the Government has no problem just doing their thing and telling people something else.

They worked out most of you are too self centered and loud mouthed to want to learn or hear anything other than your own ill-informed selves.
At least they got something right!

PALE,
I read the page you gave the link to in your last post and I have to say it is all just spin. Incorrect, exaggerated, emotive garbage. You use words like blood money, cover up, scandal, secret, anxious to keep it quiet.

There was none of that, it was a straight forward normal business deal by AWB. Happens all the time. AWB possibly has interests or shares in other companies as well.

The evidence you supposedly 'uncovered' was a press release issued by Wesfarmers, announcing the sale of their Landmark business to AWB. No doubt that press release would have gone to all major and rural media, plus business publications and the Stock Exchange. Its a fair bet that by next morning the whole business and rural circles would have been aware of the aquisition by AWB.

So there was no cover up, Government or otherwise. Landmark may well be involved in livestock exports but I know they are in rural services, merchandise, insurance, seed, fertilizer, finance, real estate, wool and livestock sales, all aimed to the rural sector. I have done business with them. Blood money indeed!

I still do not see any connection to muslims getting mixed messages from the government.

So I guess it was just another typically xenophobic rant, eh Banjo?

FRACTELLE....you said:

"The crux of the matter is what causes religious extremists?, given the majority of religious people are moderate."

Most interesting question. But I think another one needs to be raised along side it:

"What kind of 'extremist' is connected with certain faiths"

It becomes bit subjective, but on the 'Christian' side of things, Pastor Fred Phelps (godhatesfags.com) would have to be the Number 1 'extremist' loony that most of the world knows about.

Then, there are those who have attacked Abortion clinics, and their staff, but I know so little about each case, it is just toooo easy to slap a 'Christian' label on them.

Then there are the Muslim extremists, the Hindu extremists, and aside from that, we are pretty much left with the radical Marxists.

Extremism does not neccessarily mean violence.

I think 'Extremism' comes out of a fear that 'they' will come and get us. How big the 'they' factor is depends on a lot.

There are instances where this fear is well grounded, rational and demonstrable. Others where it is not.

"The Americans are coming and they are going to force us all to become southern Baptists" is hardly well grounded or rational.

"The Wahabi's are investing heavily in Islamic infrastructure, education and mosques, in Western countries and are seeking to alter the cultural balance in favor of Islam" is well grounded, demonstrable and irrefutable.

"Extremist"... is he/she simply 'passionate' about their faith?
or.. are they running on spiritual 'ice' causing them to overstep the boundaries of acceptable behavior in their own faith?

My view of an 'extremist' would be one who comes to your door, berates you for not being 'them' and when you shut the door they jam their shoe in it so you can't.

WHAT MAKES AN EXTREMIST.. (Fractelle) that would be a good thread in itself.

I tried to answer that in my last post but didn't.

Wikipedia is helpful..and here is a list of characteristics of an'extremist'.

1. A tendency to Character assassination
2. Name calling and labeling
3. The making of irresponsible, sweeping generalizations
4. The failure to give adequate proof of assertions made
5. Advocacy of double standards
6. A tendency to view opponents and critics as essentially evil
7. A Manichean (bipolar) world view
8. Advocating some degree of censorship and/or repression of their opponents and critics
9. Identifing themself by reference to who their enemies are
10. A tendency to substitute intimidation for argument
11. Widely use slogans, buzzwords and "thought-terminating clichés"
12. Claim some kind of moral or other superiority over others
13. Doomsday thinking
14. A tendency to believe that it is justified to do bad things in the service of a supposedly "good" cause
15. An emphasis on emotional response, as opposed to reasoning and logical analysis
16. Hypersensitivity and "vigilance"
17. "May claim" some kind of supernatural, mystical or divinely-inspired rationale for their beliefs and actions
18. An inability to tolerate ambiguity and uncertainty
19. "Groupthink"
20. The personalization of hostility
21. A tendency to assume that the system is defective if one is defeated

Looks like some of our olo buddies are 'extremists' :) "Bozo/hypocrite/Prejudiced"

Another factor might be seeking a sense of self importance/relevance.

Banjo

You a hundred percent incorrect. We raised it with the standards boars and Wes farmers Downers and Vailes regarding their” failure to disclose their interests in the live animal trade in 2003!”
I have the original correspondence between Wes farmers and us
From there it was dumped within three weeks back to AWB and Landmark!
You are more than welcome to contact Wes farmers if they will talk to you.
I am sure the others won’t. If you don’t know about the money that went to SH by now you’re another planet- Fact is it wasn’t just wheat and the ROAD TRANSPORT!! Costs came under the same umbrella for the live animal trade as the wheat.
Anyway I am not here to waist my time with people who know nothing but are know all.
From past correspondence that seems to have always been not only your problem but many on here. (Not All) I don’t say things unless we are sure. We couldn’t afford to. Especially considering some of the subjects raised

Banjo said
I still do not see any connection to Muslims getting mixed messages from the government.
Pale
No I know you don’t because I haven’t posted it yet. With know it alls, who know nothings like you, I am not sure I can be bothered!
I have already discussed the connections with a popular media outlet. They want to do a doc so maybe you can just dam well wait until then!

Boaz said
"The Wahabi's are investing heavily in Islamic infrastructure, Pale comments=
Do you own research Banjo if anybody has witnessed the change in AFIC connections its us1 and we have the balls to speak up
Wahabi's
http://muslimvillage.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t14222.html
http://www.afic.com.au/
Bozie was that comment directed at if so says so.

You know we worked closely with afic but things have changed.

We 'were' prepared to share concern would be one way of putting it.
At considerable risk and cost I might add!
Find out yourselves the hard way to hell with your stupidity!

Goodbye!