Israel still wants to incorporate the Samaria and Judea into Israel: recent reports:

From a CIA site, updated 20 July 2006

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/we.html

there are 242 West Bank settlements and 29 East Jerusalem settlements in addition to at least 20 occupied outposts (August 2005 est.)

From USA Today - 21 May 2006

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-05-21-israel-settlements_x.htm

"BEITAR ILLIT, West Bank (AP) — Officials said Sunday that Israel has approved plans to expand four Jewish settlements in the West Bank, a practice the United States has opposed in the past.
The settlements slated for expansion lie within areas that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert hopes to incorporate within Israel's final borders. The United States, which opposes settlement activity in the West Bank, has not endorsed Olmert's plan.

News of the settlement expansions came shortly before Olmert was scheduled to leave for Washington for talks with President Bush."

From last year:

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006/01/18/isrlpa12224.htm

"Instead, the current wall will bring over three hundred thousand West Bank and East Jerusalem settlers and a minimum of 135,000 acres of West Bank territory over to the Israeli side. Despite Israel’s contention that the wall is a “temporary” security measure, it captures settlements that Israel has vowed to hold onto permanently. On July 21 Sharon said that the Ariel bloc of settlements “will be part of the State of Israel forever.” "

3 June 2006

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/272651_mideast03.html

"MASKIOT, West Bank -- Israel has begun laying the foundations for a new Jewish settlement deep in the West Bank -- breaking a promise to Washington while strengthening its hold on a stretch of desert it wants to keep as it draws its final borders."

Hamlet, the number of times Lebanon has been invaded by Israel have been matched by the number of times Israel has withdrawn with some form of peace agreement in place which most recently was torn up by Hezbollah, as the government and security forces of the country which hosts them, Lebanon, has stood by.

When a country is providing land from which others attack Israel, there is no fence to sit upon. The sooner Lebanon terminates Hezbollah’s military rights the sooner Israel will stop their defensive actions.

As for the rest – Why should Israel relinquish strategic high country from which they would be an easier target for Hezbollah and why should Palestinians think that they can attempt a war of attrition without some real estate being surrendered when their terror fails?

Leo Braun – What ever you are using to enhance your inferiority complex sure is working – was anyone in your maternal lineage frightened by someone with a beard once?

Your capacity for over-the-top-unsubstantiated-derogatory generalisations and vilifications qualifies your comments as puerile, asinine and not worthy of further comment.

As for the Russian People – Sorry, Sap, that was down to the Czar’s Secret Police followed by Lenin and Stalin etc. I realise the fantasy suits your theme but those with IQs of under 70 are easily duped.

Martin Ibn Warriq (Re Leo Braun) “Its just sick” - that about sums it up Martin, the difference between Leo and Us, we respect Leo's Right to Express his venom (and publicly display the severe limits of his reason). He, on the other hand would have us all executed for daring to counter his myopic hysteria. That is the inherent weakness of his "type".

Col Rouge:

"Israel has withdrawn with some form of peace agreement in place...torn up by Hezbollah"?

"Withdrawn"? Fascinating! And here's me thinking Hezbollah gave your heroes the boot in 2000. Please elaborate on "some form of peace agreement" and explain why your heroes saw fit to violate Lebanese airspace on an almost daily basis from 2000-2006.

"Palestinian war of attrition"? Mere retaliatory pinpricks against a bully.

How would you describe Israel's ongoing slaughter in Gaza? 30 Palestinians shredded in 3 days (Sat-Mon, 29-31/7) Oh, I know - self-defence!

Stewth,

You are right, Israel was booted in 2000 by the Hezbullah's ultimate weapon - babies!

Shooting from behind the backs of civilians, using them as human shields, Israel was paralized and defeated. Israel could easily prevail on the battlefield, but as a democratic state, it could not withstand the barrage of accusations by the international community and the UN that did not allow her to fight effectively and eradicate the Hezbullah, so with the hands of its army tied, it had to withdraw without achieving its goal of "peace to the Galilee".

Why Israel had to violate the Lebanese air-space? obviously in order to spot and track the movements of the 13,000 missiles set-up against her civilians from Lebanon.

"Mere retaliatory pinpricks" - fortunately so because Israel is alert and knows how to defend itself, by land, sea and air, and with the new defensive wall. Otherwise, not a single Israeli soul would be spared (including babies).

Yes, self defence: this is what Israel is doing since its inception and before. I am familiar with your view that a Jewish state, as opposed to the multi-cultural state you would prefer, is not worthy of defending, but unfortunately for you, 90% of the Israelis are not willing to die and would do whatever it takes to survive as a Jewish state: some because they really value their religion and culture, but even those who are not extremely Jewish and lead a more-or-less western lifestyle (and others, a Russian lifestyle), are not stupid and understand that life in Israel would be impossible and that they would have no chance to maintain their lifestyle under Arab/Moslem rule.

Sorry for the deaths of innocents among those who are not so innocent, but had your Palestinians be primarily interested in their own good instead of Jihad against the Jews, they could have been living in prosperity in their own state with their prisoners and so many other goodies, many years ago.

• Yuyutsu ..."First, Leo Braun, thanks for your-creative-ideas on-how to-make money and gain-power"... In reflection on the Zion-Nazi pact of Ha'avara (Transfer), which-grew to-become banking-trading-house with 137 specialists in Jerusalem's office. Courtesy-of-which, affluent German-Jews routed their-loot via Zionist-Bank inside Germany. Where such-funds were used-to-buy and export German commodities, that were sold by Zionist movers-n-shakers worldwide, contrary global-boycott against the Nazism (due-to-fascist-crimes perpetration against-the-ordinary Jews). At the time when supremacist Zionist sought to-uproot young-and-strong assimilated Jew-lesser brethren from their cultural-home to Palestine (except-those chosen-to-ghetto instead).

Mind you that destitute-Jew-lesser brethren lacked essential funds to-pay for the visa-and-voyage, to-escape Germany. Whilst the opulent-Jew-émigrés arrived in Palestine received-payment for the goods-sold. Fiscal-Jew-ingenuity extended Ha'avara's operations in-many directions as-an-attraction for wealthy German Jews. For whom-it-was the least-painful way-of-shipping extorted-wealth out-of-Germany. The controversy over the Zion-Nazi pact continued angrily to-be debated unti1 1935.

In terms of the overall German-Jewry's massive-wealth-transfer, Ha'avara Bank by no-means was decisive, yet most-crucial to-the-success of Zionism, as 60% of all the capital invested in Palestine during Aug-1933 to Sept-1939 period, derived-via-fruitful collaboration with the Nazis. At the time when British caused a "problem" with the annual-Jew-immigrant quota, using-weak economic-absorptive-capacity of the Zionist enclave, to-limit destitute-immigrants-number. Whilst capitalist-Jews, bringing-in over £1,000 were welcomed over-the-quota.

As-a-result 16,529 capitalists provided kosher-immigrants-source along with the economic-harvest-for-Zionism. As the capital-infusion generated-boom! Giving Zionist enclave an-artificial prosperity in-the-midst of the worldwide Depression. At first WZO tried to-defend-itself against the charges of boycott-scabbing and outright Nazi collaboration, by insisting that the Ha'avara-Bank transfers didn't break the boycott. Since Germany didn't receive foreign-currency for-its commodities (purchased-inside the country for marks).

However Nazi-Reich evidently received part-payment for some-produce in-foreign-currency. Obliged WZO even-solicited foreign-currency-customers in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. While Zionists began-exporting-oranges to Belgium and Holland, using Nazi ships under the swastika flag. By 1936 (INTRIA BANK) International Trade and Investment Agency was set-up in London, facilitating WZO trade in Hitler's goods-in-Britain. Needless-to-add that WZO wasn't ever-to-fight its partners in Nazi uniforms. Every-defence of the Ha'avara monstrosity demonstrates moreover that loud-n-clear (not to the vision impaired dill-block).

For an eye opener proceed to ... http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4632#46251

• Col Rouge ..."I realise the fantasy suits your theme but those with IQs of under 70 are easily duped"... Of course when having lying-rodent set AWB modus-operandi in reflection on the invincible WZO trading with the enemy. Where as a token of appreciation Jew Dr Goebbels ordered a medallion to-be struck with the Nazi Swastika on-one-side, and the Zionist Star-of-David on the other. Wouldn't you agree, a very significant gesture for predominantly Jew elite officers cadre within the exclusive Nazi hierarchy. Who outperformed each other towards the final solution, according to the Zionist recipe of the brutal coercion against the obstinate (to-their-roots), Jew-lesser brethren of Europe (whose youngsters were prime-candidates for Palestine deportation).

Yet adamant Zionists with a straight chutzpah-face still dare to-argue that it was the Nazis who were the prime gainers from Ha'avara. Not only did-it-help them push out a few more of the wealthy Jews, but it was of immense propaganda value abroad, providing perfect rationale for all those who still wanted to continue trading with the Nazis. In Britain, Sir Oswald Mosley's newspaper, the Blackshirt, loved it ..."Can you beat that! We are cutting off our nose to spite our face and refuse to trade with Germany in order to-defend the poor Jews. When these Jews themselves, in their own country, are to continue making profitable dealings with Germany. Fascists can't any better counter the allegations, purported to destroy friendly relations with Germany, than by using this fact".

In-conclusion of my research I must disagree with the postulate that-a-final evaluation of the connived WZO's role cannot-be-concluded fairly until all the interrelationships between the Zion-Nazi partners are properly dealt-with. When so copious amount-of-facts addressed already these issues. All excuses that Ha'avara saved lives must-be strictly-excluded from serious consideration. As no-one in the 1930s thought that Hitler was going to-try to-exterminate the Jews of Germany or Europe, and no-one-tried to-justify Ha'avara in those terms. Excuse was, that it saved lives, when-in-fact at the very-best, it helped-few-thousand wealthy-Jews to-enter Palestine. Subject to-strict criteria, purported to-boost Zionist economy by keeping destituted out.

For collaborative exposé proceed to ... http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4632#48915