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Lies as a pretext for war : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 29/6/2006

How easy it is for lies and propaganda to be used as a pretext for war.

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Tao – I am well aware of minority hate groups but to compare them with Islamic terror organizations is ludicrous. I’m not a bit worried about parts of my city being blown sky-high by the KKK, anti-abortionists or Irish nationalists but a group of Islamic would be terrorists in Sydney and Melbourne were recently planning to do just that – have you heard of Faheem Lodhi and his merry crew? Or the group in Canada?

<.. expel existing Christians from the country>

Is this meant to be logic? It has probably escaped your notice that Australia was founded by Christians and our laws are based on Christian tenets even if we don’t always live up to them.

Please don’t try to cloud the issue with stories of anti-abortionists etc. And to use KKK stats from 1924 as an example of some kind of moral equivalency is beyond lame. The 10 most wanted terrorists on the FBI list are all Muslims - http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm.

The riots, threats and head-chopping are being carried out by Muslims, not Christian anti-abortionists or the KKK. Do you really think a few attacks by fringe nutter groups compares with the thousands of attacks carried out by Islamic terrorists?

<my last post on your anti-Islamic rantings>

Glad to hear it. You have chosen to ignore relevent points such as the situation resulting from Muslim immigration in Europe - debating with an ostrich is a waste of time.
Posted by dee, Thursday, 13 July 2006 1:23:40 PM
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philo, "Therefore it is important that extremists of the minority group be removed from the society." - it would make more sense to deal with the larger group of extremists. Whilst your proposal might be useful to get a quick run on the board if we really must go down the track of removing extremists from society which you suggest we should start with the extremists in the larger of the two main groups of protagonists. As coach correctly points out we might then have to turn our attention to all those who sympathise with the extremists and that does raise some practical issues.

I don't personally like your idea but am willing to learn from the posts of those I disagree with.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Friday, 14 July 2006 12:37:00 PM
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Back on the topic to expose master-deceivers!

As a consequence of the rational Tao uttered challenge, followed-by-the-meticulous research on my part into ..."Irgun Zvai Leumi (National Military Organisation)"... and so-called ..."Fighters for Freedom of Israel"... the bona-fide-history testimonies revealed that in 1940, an extremely lethal Stern-Gang, a splinter faction of the revisionist Irgun-Group, combined of the terrorist power-brokers (jostling to contest a place in the Zionist venture), went as far as to make an offer -- to join the WWII on the Nazi side. Towards the erection Zionist-Vatican upon the Haram-as-Sharif, on the national and totalitarian basis, bound by the treaty with the Nazi-Reich.

Due to the fact that supremacist Zionists and their cultivated Nazi proxies had-a-common interest to force assimilationalist Jew-lesser brethren of Europe to depart to Palestine. Exposing thus diabolical relationship, where aloof Zionists did not merely fail-to-lead towards any resistance or ever defend our Jew-lesser brethren survival, they in fact actively sabotaged all the efforts by the rival Jew groups. While plotting with the fascist counterparts towards the Third-Reich sponsorship ... not merely because it appeared powerful enough to impose Zionist colony in the Palestine, but because Nazi practices were consonant with the racist Zionist aspirations.

Though conveniently after-the-war the-victors concocted-a-myth as-a-norm to-devalue otherwise significant magnitude of the Zionist participation in crimes committed-against-the-humanity, by shifting focus of the inquiry entirely onto terrorist Stern-Gang, ran by Nathan Yalin-Mor and Israel Scheib (Eldad). The future Israeli Prime Ministers Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir chose to join at the time (Avraham Stern's freedom-fighters for Israel).

These facts give-an-extra-edge of topicality to what-in-any-case has been already a highly controversial records study of the Zionism in-a-hey-day of escalated-fascism. When Zionists were already in-bed with what later became known as Axis-of-Evil. Combined of the fascist Benito-Mussolini's-Italy and Tojo-Hideki's-Japan. Mind you, that on March 29th, 1936, Zionists praised Jew-Duce and his fascist-regime at the opening of the Maritime-School, where black-Nazi-uniformed Zionist-Youth-Betar-Group (headed by Begin) trained young Jew sailors towards the Zionist savagery escapades. Funded by the Fascist Government of Civitavecchia.

As to the diminished democracy exposé down-under, please proceed to ... http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4625#47660
Posted by Leo Braun, Saturday, 15 July 2006 12:07:11 PM
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Mind you that largely suppressed, shifty-history-of-Zionism is utterly sordid. To digest it, one ought to first-study authentic-testimonies, epitomised within the researched chapters by me. Where so incredibly, the founders of diabolical Zionism despaired in public on a difficulty in combating anti-Semitism, though paradoxically regarded themselves as anti-Semite's allies. For the reason of the shared desire to uproot our tenacious Jew-lesser brethren from the European countries of their ancestral habitation. As step-by-step Zionists assimilated values of hatred versus Jew-lesser brethren. Or wasn't it actually vice versa? As Zionists came to regard anti-Semites as their most reliable sponsors and protectors of an-ultimate-goal to get Jew-lesser brethren deported to the autonomous statelet. Carved by the blood drenching Zionists out of Palestine, to the detriment its natural inhabitants, who faced extermination.

No wonder Theodor-Herzl approached none other than Jew-Count Von-Plehve, the instigator of the worst terrorist-pogroms in Russia (Kishinev-bloodbath) with a sly proposition: "Help my people to reach Palestinian land sooner, and a revolt against the Tsarist rule will end". Von-Plehve agreed as he undertook to finance Zionist project. Although later he complained to Herzl: "These Jews have been joining revolutionary parties instead. We were sympathetic to your Zionist project, as-long-as it led towards Jews departure. You don't have to justify your Zionist ideology to me ... you are preaching to a convert".

At the time Herzl and Weizmann with the blood on their hands, furthermore offered their services to guarantee future Tsarist interests in Palestine. Linked as a package deal, to see eastern Europe's Jew-aristocracy getting rid-off an-obnoxious and subversive anarcho-Jew-bolsheviks. Equally such a sly embodied appeals were made simultaneously by the connived Zionists to: Sultan of Turkey, Kaiser of Germany, British and French imperialists in endless succession

Lest we forget to mention Ukrainian-Jew-fascist Simon-Petilura who personally directed his terrorist-pogroms that killed 28,000 Jew-lesser brethren in 897 separate terror-pogroms. No wonder Zionist-Jabotinsky negotiated an alliance with ... by proposing NMO (National Military Organisation) henchmen to accompany Petilura's bandits in their counter-revolutionary war-of-attrition against the Red-Army and Jew-bolshevik-revolutionaries. Encompassing bloodiest process, involving murder of peasants, workers and intellectual supporters of the-Jew-revolution.
Posted by Leo Braun, Saturday, 15 July 2006 12:14:40 PM
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'Hateful ideas', 'hysterical comments', bigoted' etc etc

Isnt anyone going to apply these words to our resident anti-Semite Leo
Posted by dee, Saturday, 15 July 2006 1:07:37 PM
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My point was that to place extreme opponents in the same space is a recipe for conflict.e.g Cronulla. Extremists misrepresent the others position as evidenced from the above posts. Lies are the nature of extremists.
Posted by Philo, Saturday, 15 July 2006 10:12:58 PM
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