drooge,

I sympathise with the Palestinians – who BTW are not all muslims – a great deal are Christians and even Jews. The frustration and inconvenience to be pushed aside and separated from their ancestral land is a terrible state.

A bit of history reading will reveal that the very land that these Palestinian once lived on was a birth right place donated by God to Abraham as a covenant to the “Jews”.

So before you start suggesting ‘righting the wrongs’ please accept the fact that the ME world was in relative peace before the insurgence of the invented religion of Islam.

Palestine was the birth place of Christianity in the God-donated land of Israel. The prophet Mohammad – an Arab from Mecca – had no claim to it. He raped and pillaged his way until Islam spread over Arabia when he died (632AD).

His followers continued the conquest and took North Africa up to Spain in Europe (west) and all the way to Indonesia (east) mostly by the power of the sword.

To claim a piece of the action, and to prove to the conquered world that Islam is to be respected as a new religion, a mosque (Al-Aqsa) was planted on the historical Jewish holiest temple.

Al-Aqsa, BTW means the ultimate or the furthest away from Mohammad’s place of origin. Mo had a dream or vision that he was transported to Jerusalem and landed on the temple site therefore had to claim it for Allah.

So when you start speaking about injustice, applied force, and birth/land rights please put it all in context. Who raped who? And who are the real bastards, heh?

Tao,

I am praying for your troubled soul.

Mr. Tao has religious sense much more than the religioners here, who lack the cheeks to give a chances of peace. If religions should exist today, it must fulfill the demand of justice, peace, human rights, and equality, the norms of today. Otherwise it would be the opium to delude the 'working class' for the next economic reconquista even by the name of Holy Roman Emperium.

Dee,

You said “Fortunately,-we-live-in-a-free-country-where-we-can-express-our-opinions,-which-would-not-be-the-case-if-the-idiots-yammering-on-Islamic-hate-sites-ever-gained-power” and then “They-are-complete-dummies,-and-highly-unlikely-to-do-any-damage-but-that-fact-doesn’t-make-them-any-the-less-offensive.”

If they are such dummies, why are you so offended? If they are such dummies, surely you can be a bit more mature than them.

If they are highly unlikely to do any damage, what is your problem? Aren’t you over-reacting a little? Sticks and stones will break my bones etc.

For now we live in a relatively free country (which is in danger of becoming fascist thanks to our government). And if that is the case those dummies have every right to express themselves – just as you have a right to spew your ignorant prejudiced bile on this forum.

And then “I-don’t-see-hate-sites-belonging-to-Christians,-Buddhists-or-Jews,-have-you-ever-asked-yourself-why-Muslim-hate-mongers-exist-in-such-large-numbers?”

What exactly is the percentage of “extremist” Muslims within the Australian Muslim population? What is the percentage of “extremist” Muslims in the world Muslim population? I doubt you even know. I’d suggest that the media coverage is way out of proportion to the actual numbers. Perhaps you see all the hate sites because you are looking for them. I’m sure we have some Australian neo-Nazis and the like, with their own hate-sites too. On the other hand, what is the percentage of “extremist” war-mongers in our ruling class – pretty high I’d say.

Why should the majority of average everyday Muslims be discriminated against because there are a few “extremists”?

What right do you (presumably an immigrant or descendant of immigrants – uninvited by the original inhabitants of this country) have to decide that anyone should be barred from entry to this country on the basis of their religion? Is it that you are a better person than them? From your vitriol, I doubt it.

Horus – the people who do the work.

Jeleta – thank you, I think.

Boaz – Before telling me to *think*, I suggest you start thinking for yourself without relying on bible quotes.

Coach – I see you haven’t addressed any of my points or questions. I’ll assume you can’t.

Tao,

1) “If they are such dummies, why are you so offended? … They are highly unlikely to do any damage, what is your problem”
The problem is Tao that a number of sub-cultures tend to be very insular. They read & think only their own side an issue. It’s easy for such insular environments to nurture terrorists- and you don’t need too many of them, to cause the rest of us as a lot of problems.

2) Who or what determines what is needed?
“The people who do the work “
Does that mean the unemployed, students, & leftist “academics” don’t get suffrage?

Horus,

1. What do you suggest we do Horus? Annihilate them? Exclude them? Drive them into poverty? Make them more insular and angry?

2. It will be up to the people to decide how their society will work, and it will be a lot more democratic and equal than it is now. I’d suggest that less people will be disenfranchised than are in the current system.

Tao,

“What do you suggest we do Horus? Annihilate them? Exclude them? Drive them into poverty? Make them more insular and angry?”

No, but we don’t have to be as accommodating as we are either.

The Ayatollah Khomeini was given refuge in France but it didn’t make him any more well disposed towards the west.

It’s either the greatest example of “LOVE THY ENEMY” or the starkest example of CUCKOLDING that the west should:
-Give refuge to extremists
- Pay social welfare for their up keep
While all the while they talking us down , teaching their children to hate us,and conspire to murder us & disrupt our society.

[ and before you reach for your dictionary to find the spelling for words like ” xenophobia” “bigoted” etc –please note my qualification “extremists”