Same old game ay guys? Well, you can play by yourselves, I am way to busy actually doing something to better the life of farmed animals to bother.

Agreed Nicky.
I’ve no wish to waist time. Rather weak reply but what else could you say.

Re Anti Meat Eating Attitude- Ask yourselves this question?

Does that help the animals?- Or should we try to make it kinder since Australian's are a meat eating country?

Global Australian Kind “Meats- is a recommendation to Government. A policy recommended “policy” backed by RSPCA QLD and Humane Society NSW to improve Animal Welfare To create, work opportunities, for the thousands, re locating from city to Regional Areas and others.

It’s quite clear and you know it was submitted at the Senate Enquiry. Your lot rejected it because it’s not vegetarian. Be honest at least.

Don’t! tell , Farmers you want to help, then! object to them selling their Animals for slaughter.


*I mentioned earlier a problem with people falsely advertising they are Free Range to cash in on Campaign’s.

I spoke with a Farmer who was advertising [and still is] as Free Range pork. He could not see why a person might get up set by his false advertising. I am sure if this was some other sort of product like children’s toys being falsely advertised the Government would do something about it.

Department of fair trading, no powers, less teeth,- All suggestions welcome?

Here’s “another Pledge idea.” How about all! The Animal Welfare organisations who run campaigns, agree that every cent collected, by the good public, goes straight into improvements for the animals?

Hands on, improving on buildings, new runs, with much more space. I will make that pledge. One intensive farm at a time. One Animal at a time.

Anybody else? How about Australia Pork?

Set up a” Public Trust Fund” for the Public at Major Banks in time for Christmas. The public should not be” forced” to donate through “any” Animal Welfare Organisation just to help animals.

Let’s give it straight to the pigs. Least we can do while eating our Christmas Dinners.

The “pigs” would thank you for a programme to enlarge their living quarters.

With every - Cent going into improvements

Any Takers?

Antje Struthmann

PF “There were pig pens stack about 5 high in those huge sheds.”
Yes, I have watched something on the net about that- they do have them in European countries, was a Dutch idea due to lack of land.

These ‘pigflats’ as they call them are supposed to be friendlier than the usual batteries because the pigs have large balconies 'dressed up' as ‘land’ ao that pigs can mess with mud.

The layout is such that the outside is occupied by pigs; natural light and balconies.

The darker inside of the building is utilised as mushroom farms fertilised and heated by pig manure (in fact the building is heated by manure) - the pigs eat the remainders of veggies and salmon.

Pigs’ diets are monitored by a chip in the ear. Pigs, to get their food, have to open a cage in where food is automatically dispensed, and the chip monitors when they eat.
The farmer keeps track on the pigs' eating habits on his pc. At least one vet comes in every day.

On top of the roof is a salmon farm pond.

At the basement is an abattoir- 5000 pigs are being slaughtered daily.
On another floor they make smoked ham.

These pigflats are situated close to the water (location location!) so the processed meat is shipped straight away without problems with road transports.

Manure is pushed down into a system that takes it to a floor where it gets processed to be used for the mushroom section and heating.

While it may economically and environmentally be a really good solution, I am not thrilled about the number of pigs in each section of the flats- although it seems more animal friendly than the regular factories.

It focuses on the pigs; apart from the veggies and salmon there was talk about chickens kept there as well and a restaurant where people can dine on pork, chicken, mushrooms, and salmon ;)

You can have a look at a video, but it’s spoken in Dutch. There’s talking for a few minutes, then you can see the pig building.

Pigflats: http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/streams?/tv/nps/vangewesttotgewest/bb.20020620.r

Sorry, the link doesn't seem to work on here. Try this one and choose Real Player (ADSL), Realplayer (modem) or Windows Media.

http://www.agro.nl/innovatienetwerk/tdl/films/varkensflat.html

Hi there PF. I hope I didn't offend you. It's just that I really want to know what the parameters are for something to be called "free range". Are you able to explain that - in particular the part about using farrowing crates? I wasn't being critical, I just want to be a bit better informed.
Nicky

About Animal Welfare groups generally:
I wonder what all these animal groups actually do with the donations and funds they get.
What percentage of donations goes to the animals?

Are there any financial reports available for the public (and govt) to see what is happening with the money?
It would be good to see details and percentages so we know what is actually done to benefit the animals. I have no idea what happens with the money after I make a donation.
I would have thought that some animal organisation, for example, had organised some TV advertising campaign in favour of free range pork (and chicken etc).

Why do those groups not jointly allocate some money towards educating campaigns? People NEED to be aware of how bad things are before things can improve. The public does NOT KNOW how bad things are in intensive pig farms (and for caged chickens).

All animal groups probably agree that educating the public is a really important aspect of improving animal welfare.
People have been donating money to animal groups for years now and nothing much changes.

Whatever these animal groups do, why don’t they simply organise a joint fund, cooperate and organise some educational campaign, just like the anti-smoke and the aids campaigns.

When?