Nicky


What problems regarding RSPCA QLD? We have “the most wonderful CEO.” See web site

Scroll to live exports. See pale > email address.

Happy to answer all questions

http://www.rspcaqld.org.au/

I agree AA AL and PETA have been the “only ones” to expose cruelty.

I also agree about working together

That’s been rejected and not from this side.

The fundamental difference is “I believe” you have to help the farmers find alternatives.

Your side rejects that saying its still killing animals.

Black listing the only organisation trying to achieve that is unhelpful.

IF you look here at all three NFP organisations working together
http://www.halakindmeats.com/

There is great misunderstanding regarding this project. Purposely misleading rumours

. Its not commercial. Its a proposal from three separate NFP organisation working together including RSPCA QLD to improve animal welfare.

Its shameful especially that nobody has acknowledged the enormous amount of hours put in by AFIC.

Verna Simpson of the Humane Society International stands alone in her support and foresight along with Ticky of 4 corners and Bridget Bardott. RSPCA QLD

http://www.livexports.com/afic.html

http://www.livexports.com/davidwoodsreport.html

http://www.livexports.com/hughwirth.html

http://www.livexports.com/cowgun.html

Its shunned by AA AL PETA Voiceless and Andrew Bartlett?. We have a new President of RSPCA and WSPA

Perhaps it really is time for a new start and working all together.


Now I must respond to our resident pet rat Yabby. We are actually rather fond of him but don’t tell him that.

Oh Yabby.

But alas! you have caught me out at last!

I see potential in Halal farms and vegetables. AFIC made special mention of that in their submission.

Down the track, of course, if there is money, in it, to grow and produce, alternative products providing outlets for vegetarians then why not.

You can Grow Vegetables and have livestock as well you know Yabby.

Remember Yabby the farmers “still owns the farms” so it’s going to be their descion.

‘Their gain’ too if in years to come there’s more from alternative meat products than animals.

Good luck to the Australian Farmers.

Now it’s your turn to fess up and confess your sins to Nick

Hi Celivia

Given the intensive conditions pigs are raised under it is necessary fo those growers to use antibiotics to combat disease that is so easily spread. Pigs have in-feed antibiotics from when they can first eat until just before slaughter (to allow for withholding periods)
They are fed synthetic amino acids because they cannot obtain them from an unnatural grain diet alone.

Paylean is a drug used to stop porkers laying down fat.

Stresnil is a sedative used to stop fighting and make sows easier to handle. (room to run away from confrontation would work too :) ) The name of this product is a true indication of the problem. There is only a 6 hour withholding period for this drug.

In feed dewormers are used routinely. Some are injected.

There are also routine treatments for mange and lice with pesticides.

They would have us believe though that there are no residues left in pork raised this way. mmmmm

Add to that the stressful conditions and the filth that a lot of these animals are forced to live in. Remember that yummy crackling is actually the pigs skin just minus the hair ..

Just having pigs in a stress free environment does so much for their health even if people arent worried about the drugs fed to them.

Imagine the stress a pig, that has been raised under artificial light its entire life, goes through when it is suddenly forced onto the back of a truck with unknown pigs in broad daylight. Probably the first time it has seen the sun. No wonder some of them just die of heart failure. They blame that on a genetic fault though.

Ok let me get this straight here:

"*You need a chain of vegetarian fast food stores. Ask somebody like Dick Smith to get ‘onboard’ with you...
*Put some nice pictures up in the drive through educating the public about how your opposition next door get their product. Feature thanking them for their contribution towards animal welfare buy choosing your stores"

I can just see it all now: One one side of the road there will be
"Yabby's Tender and Juicy Happy Lamburgers".

On the other side will be "Gold Coast Old Ducks El Cheapo Veggie
Burgers"

What horrible things do you plan to say about my product, in
order to try and steal my contented and satisfied customers? :)

Yabby

Thats the best part- nothing.

I guess that would be up to Nicky Yabbs.

I am sure she would think of something.

They say a picture tells a thousand words.

Thanks For The Name Yabbys Happy Lamb Burgers- funny as.

We stil seem to be labouring under the "your side and my side" approach, and what appears to be some sort of feud between the People Against Live Exports, verus all the other groups. And we keep returning to this slaughterhouse debate, and its potential as a solution to ending the live export trade. People Against Live Exports, I went to the links provided, and am a little concerned that the writer of the "HKM Economic Report" seems to have failed to acknowledge his/her sources. There is at least one paragraph that I have read elsewhere, written by someone else; I can't remember by whom now. It is usual to properly reference such documents.
I'm also curious about where the start-up funding for this enterprise has come from, and especially how many such farms are operating through People Against Live Exports, and how many abattoirs.
I don't think that I said that there are problems with the RSPCA in Queensland - what I said was that there are problems everywhere BUT in Queensland - Queensland is what RSPCA state branches should be like. And once again, we are digressing from what this thread should be about - helping the pigs.

Nicky
I must apoligise to you. I misread your email regading RSPCA QLD
Also left the Y off your name when speaking to Yabby. Its very good of you to come on the forum and discuss ways of highlighting the cruelty to our animals.

You asked me about emails before.I suppose you thought its rude of me not to reply.

I had hoped to catch up with others before I answered. That hasnt been possible. I dont want you to think I am purposely ignoring you either so I will answer as best I at my own personal observation.

I am only aware of an email sent by a Free Range Farmer that was a strong complaint that Free Range Farmers were not supported on the basis that they were still killing animals. Is that the one you mean?.

I was informed in the car park tonight that had been reversed.

What fantastic news. Free Range Farmers are the real heros and should be publicly acknowledged. every child in Australia should know the difference bewteen Free range and intensive.

Or perhaps you have heard of the emails that circulated for years warning people not to talk with anybody from the people I support PALE.That has been a vicious campaign against dedicated people.

I would love to see a Farmers Face on the pack of a free range Product. It would have far more effect on the public . Better than any new label. Kids would say mummy buy Farmer Browns products or Miss Piggys as they became more educated.

Nicky dont feel gagged

Speak your mind. I dont bite and I respect others ideas towards improving conditions for our animals.

You certainly have gained a few peoples respect by your comments and its clear you have the potential to be a leader yourself.

You also have some very good information a few posts up from a real farmer.
Its great to see everybody putting in.

Brian should be proud of his input but remember we must get behind our Free range Farmers one hundred percent.

Good luck all
Antje Struthmann.