Hi everyone- long time no see. I haven't been chased away by anyone on here :)) but I have had nothing worthwhile to add to the conversation.

For the record, I am not a group person and not a loud person so you won't catch me with loudspeakers outside Woolworths- I prefer to do my own little things, like talking to butchers and supermarket managers to tell them what is wanted and needed, buying all the free range meats and sticking to my pork pledge.

Pigfarmer, I have been told by some butchers exactly the same things that you showed in that link: that FR pigfarms are not possible in Australia because of sunburn, draught etc.
It would be good to have this list refuted: point by point to show that those arguments are invalid.

Making shame-lists of shops is also not my style- it's so negative that it might work against animal groups; I rather just talk to people.

I also want to say that I am delighted about the debut of a political animal party in the Dutch government now- and I hope that Australia will follow one day in the near future. This will hopefully change things for the animals.

I'll paste the article in my next post for possible new people who might not have read it. Here's the link also:
http://www.animalliberationfront.com/ALFront/Actions-Netherlands/PoliticalParty4Animals.ht

A victory for the animals

Party for the Animals gains 2 parliamentary seats in the Netherlands

Amsterdam, 11/23/2006 – On Wednesday, November 22, the Dutch political
Party of the Animals gained 2 seats in the 150-member legislature in The
Netherlands. This makes the Netherlands the first country in the world in
which a party for animal welfare is elected into a representative body of
the people.

“We are thrilled with such a wonderful result of our campaign”, says party
leader Marianne Thieme. “Finally we can start realizing our party’s
highest priority, namely ending all animal suffering. We want a
constitutional amendment, guaranteeing animals the right to freedom from
pain, fear and stress caused by humans. Let’s begin with easing the
suffering of the hundreds of millions of cows, pigs and chickens stuck in
factory farming”, she said. Thieme feels success in the Netherlands could
help the movement elsewhere. One of the party’s purposes is to be an
inspiration for other countries and animal rights activists.

A growing number of Dutch people are wondering why it is necessary to have
economic interests prevail over ethical considerations when it comes to
animal welfare and the interests of nature and the environment. “The Party
for the Animals expresses this concern that so many Dutch have”, says
Esther Ouwehand, number two on the party list, explaining the party’s
victory.

The party and viewpoints of party leader Marianne Thieme received a great
deal of media attention. After law school and a brief corporate career,
she decided to enter politics as an advocate for all animals and founded
the Party for the Animals. A large number of well known Dutch authors such
as Jan Wolkers, Kees van Kooten, Maarten ’t Hart and Harry Mulisch have
joined the Party for the Animals. 20 of the party’s 30 candidates are
opinion leaders in the Netherlands. Also a number of business people have
contributed large sums of money to the Party for the Animals, allowing for
a full-fledged political campaign.

For more information about the Party for the Animals see

http://www.partijvoordedieren.nl/content/view/129

Hello Everybody
I am not posting as a group either. I have told Graham Young over and over again i only asked to post as a animal lover and a ,member of the public not pale or any other group.
Cleary Graham thinks he can extract another eleven hundred dollars membership fee by putting the tag at the bottom but nothing will change the fact i am still me Graham
I think we have to shame the large stores into making changes.
Isnt that what AA and the pork pledge are doing.
Allowing animals to continue to suffer while we tippy toe around [just in case] we upset somebody isnt what I beleive will help the animals.
Nicky when can you sent your details for contact. I understand you have other matters but I need to know you want to do this before close of business.
regards
Antje Struthmann

Nicky

Message from George Shane Mark. As we speak they have a rep in Egypt and earlier this year the Malaysian Government returned for further meetings. There were was agreements and other documents signed which will be a first large step towards phasing out live exports. You will understand I cant disclose anymore here about it.
I was aked to inform you that simply by browsing the web pages will give no indication of whats being done.
'I am passing on a message for George'.
He asked me to ask you one last time for a contact so he can call you before he breaks for the season.
If you want to help the animals Nicky this is something that will make a difference.
They are offering as I said before five thousand dollars to get this report done. This also largely invovles RSPCA QLD.
I am NOT asking you to start now just give George some contact to you please!. It is more important than posting on OLO if you dont mind me saying. This is a genuine offer Nicky. As I said before you would be working with a high profile legal team however they dont have the time to prepair the proposal themselves but happy to assist and pay a good salary. However George or Shane must be able to speak with you soon before their break so they know either way.

There office is extreamly busy so we only have a few weeks.
Would you like me to post an email address for you to make contact?
If you dont want to do the report Nicky thats ok George will advertise but he needs to know urgently.
Kind regards
Antje