First to Yabby ... (of course I am sweet and innocent)it is likely that, barring accidents, you will have an element of choice about how, and even possibly when, you die, and are likely to live to the age that nature intended rather than being overfed in intensive conditions, and hauled off to slaughter the minute you reach a saleable weight. Beyond that, like you, I don't care much what happens to my remains.
Back to People Against Live Exports, certainly I agree with you about ending the atrocity that is the live export trade, but by placing yourself/ves so VERY far along the pro-slaughter scale, you also alientate a large sector of the community. In order to ban the live export trade, you do not have to so actively promote slaughterhouses and all that goes with them, irrespective of the level of commercial interest you might have in whatever this/these enterprise/a is/are.
You may not have looked at the new Voiceless/Animals Australia campaign - it is about urging people to demand free-range pork products, thereby removing the demand for factory farmed pork, ham, bacon, etc; that is hardly attempring to force vegetarianism upon the community, I think it is quite a mainstream approach which recognizes preferences of which they may not approve, or may not ensorse, but rather they recognize them as the lesser of the worst evils.
Goodnight everyone
Nicky

"you will have an element of choice about how, and even possibly when, you die,"

Actually nope Nicky, sh#t just happens to the best of us :)

See life as a lucky dip. Billions of sperms were washed down
the toilet of history, you won the lottery, you survived and
they died. A millions to one chance!

Fact is, Darwin was right, far more have the potential for
life, then can ever survive. Only so many can squeeze onto
the planet at one time, be they human or other species. Thats
the reality.

So the reality of the veggie story is that it makes you feel
good, but thats about it.... All the rest is based on
watching too many Holywood movies and a rose coloured
worldview, far from reality.

Nicky

Welcome to Yabbies World of Worms

You do need to be aware of the privacy act

Yabb,s she’s probably pretty as well.” Eat your heart out.

She has something else too Yabby “the will to make a difference”

Nicky, our old mate Yabby is working on a web page to educate the public, about extreme groups and promote live exporters.

So you will need a hard case like me on side to argue slaughtering here

Yes I do Nicky-

I do have to get ‘that involved’ simply because nobody else will.

I know you want to talk about pigs.

To remove pigs from intensive farming you require people with funds willing to contribute in a major way creating Free Range Pig Farms.

You need to ensure supply of a product before you promote it

*You will find those people overseas.

*You require farmers prepared to talk with them so getting farmers off side isn’t a good idea.”

This must be your Q PF

*You need a chain of vegetarian fast food stores. Ask somebody like Dick Smith to get ‘onboard’ with you...

*Park yourself between McDonalds and Hungry Jack’s and don’t be surprised when they come out with their own vegetarian burgers to compete with you.

*Put some nice pictures up in the drive through educating the public about how your opposition next door get their product. Feature thanking them for their contribution towards animal welfare buy choosing your stores

*Wrap it up with a few good jokes on the bags.

If you do it right they will carry those thoughts with them when they do their shopping at the super market.

Why not go the “whole hog” and call it “Glenyce,s fast foods.”

Sorry Nicky, it’s just my humour. Most people get used to it eventually.

You watch our old Yabby now, he does tell a few Pokies from time to time ah Yab

Yabby try to be on your best behaviour and a gentleman OK

Nicky best wishes to you and “ all” in their endeavours to improve animal welfare

Ban "Intensive" Farms

My queue is it? OK then …

It’s a pleasant change to see you being up front with your vegetarian agenda. At least Glenyce is honest about it.

Why, why ,why do we need investors from overseas to set up free range farms??

Educating people about how their food is farmed will create the demand for free range pork, and that demand is the only incentive needed to get our own farmers into free range production.

Up till now, it has only been the farmers dedicated to the welfare of their animals that have converted to free range. Create consumer awareness and the demand will soon come. Free range pork will not just be seen as a boutique style item to offer customers (at inflated prices) by butchers, they will start to realize they have no choice but to sell it.

There is a new label in the supermarkets and no doubt we will hear more as xmas gets closer. ‘Bred Free Range’ it is not a true free range pig, but a much more humane alternative than intensive farmed. It is owned by the largest smallgoods producer in the country so I am a little skeptical, but at least it is a start.

If the AA and Voiceless campaign is the success I think it will be, there will be more free range piggeries popping up in no time.

It’s a shame for us, that your actions , by publishing private personal emails, writing letters to them in regard to us without our knowledge, has damaged our relationship with those organizations and thus damaged a free range farmer in the process.

http://www.livexports.com/freerangefarmerssupportgroup/

Drive through Free Range and Vegetarian outlets was something I suggested to Nicky.

It’s no secret that I would like to see them.

I feel it would be the best form of advertising and opportunity to educate the public.

Imagine if this campaign were running permanently, how many ordinary every day people would really start to think about what they purchase.

If alternative meats and products, vegetarian if you like, were eventually returning more than let’s say animal products then good for share holders.

It’s healthier for the public and better for Animal Welfare.

John Howard and his Government have launched an attack on obesity so perhaps they might support it in some way if presented properly.

The only difference is our approach. I believe you must do things in order and one step at a time.

There is no point telling people to insist on something they cant access.

Why not put it to Woolworths or Coles and other major outlets to put the funds into extending these intensive farms into Free Range.

If its put as a business arrangement with solid contracts for the farmers there is no reason these companies can not be involved in farming as well.

After all they have a responsibility to ensure the product they sell is humane

We all saw the pork industry saying they could not afford the animal welfare improvements?

Didn’t know Amanda was broke but still.

Not too many farmers here have a few spare million lying around to set up you would have seen on landline.

That’s why? Overseas.

PF Read that letter again.

You cant demand free range supplies of anything throughout the country if there are none.

Also you cant demand the banning of live exports unless you have a alternative arrangements.

Those arrangements need to be put in place first with overseas live animal importers.

Just like the Free Range Farmers must be openly supported by Animal Groups and put into place.

After all that is why you wrote and everybody agreed with you and still do do.

Good evening, everyone. Some more interesting posts I see. I'm not sure what the mention of publishing personal emails is about (unless it is the Animals Australia one?) so I'll stay right out of that one. Did someone - Antje(?) - say earlier that the RSPCA inspectors are funded by Departments of Primary Industry in the different states? That seems like a clear conflict of interest to me. The RSPCA, in my experience, is sometimes okay about cats and dogs, but pretty hopeless about any other animals (except in Queensland, from what I've read).I think it would be an EXCELLENT idea to have veg. fast food outlets, especially on the doorsteps of KFC, Hungry Jacks, McDonalds and those like them. Persuading the big supermarkets about free-range "produce" is a task that I think can only be effectively managed with a campaign such as the Animals Australia one. Coles Supermarkets usually have at their checkouts a form upon which you can write what you like/dislike about their stores; if everyone who shops there used them for this, it would be a great start. It's important to educate the consumer to do this, so let's all put aside our differences and support this. We could write to the magazines who have refused the campaign and tell them why we are boycotting their magazines as well.
As far as pig farmers having to make changes to accommodate animal welfare improvements, they have got away with gross animal abuse for far too long, I say. If they cannot, or will not, implement REAL improvements (i.e. NO sow stalls or farrowing crates AT ALL), they should be put out of business, and hopefully, they will be. I have absolutely no sympathy for farmers whose cruelty has only been exposed by the efforts of Animals Australia, Animal Liberation and PETA.
Yabby, here was I thinking that you were sweet and innocent too - I hope it's not true what People Against Live Exports have said about you above.