Irfan,

As a good lawyer (oxymoron) you should know about the implications of your double edged type of questioning.

Many HYPOCRITS tried to trap Jesus with such questions: "should the Jews pay taxes to the Romans?” or “If a woman is married several times, whose wife she will be in heaven?” … all designed to ambush him. Whatever the answer it will “incriminate” him.

But Jesus being God incarnate could read their minds and knew exactly what was in their hearts…

You already describe your opposition as Armchair Nazis – whatever what that means to you – funny though, because you are a mouthpiece representing muslims WHO are warring against the rest of the world and you have te audacity to call (us) names for defending our freedoms.

I don’t know what your game plan is or what ambitious plot you are cooking up for yourself but a HYPOCRITE you are like the rest of your muslim connivers.

As to how to recognise a muslim? Not as hard as you’re implying.

1) dress code
2) super charged noisy cars usually with 2 or more occupants
3) Friday mosques
4) ghettoes
5) identifiable t-shirts at Uni
6) picnic spreads, nargileh (pot) smoking, lound music…
7) male or female hangouts, coffee shops, malls
8) symbols and decorative art, in cars, shops, etc
9) 7 seaters, minibuses, SUVs, driving at 20k below the speed limit
10) turbulent children

An easier suggestion would be the proverbial ID card... but I can hear the uproar already...

I've stayed out of this thread because meh, heard it all before, but gee Coach, that has to be the stupidest list I've ever seen. "Turbulent children"?! "Super charged noisy cars"?!

Gee, my aunt & uncle with their very anglo, very noisy and rambunctious children must not have told me they are changing religion. And my very anglo younger brother with his beefed up ute with loud doof-doof music must be showing he's secretly changing his previously athiest views. Interesting. I'll keep it in mind.

well done coach, you have exceded even your high standards.

jesus may have refused to answer, but in the immortal words of Bob: "yeah, but you aint him". so an answer to ifrans questions if you please. i wont hold my breath.

but on to your list....

its a little ironic, but appart from the mosques(dead giveaway that one) you seem to have given the best description of 'ordinary' australians we have had on this site in a good while. cars, kids, music, picnics, shops, music, t-shirts(wearing one now, does that mean im a muslim?).

by these standards we must all be muslims and not know it yet. poor old danna vale, she's 50 years behind.

but keep up the good work old chap, you have brightend up an otherwise boring morning.

irfan: No one wants to lock up all pagan moslems only those who advocate the destruction of the freedoms, including freedom of religion, we enjoy in this WESTERN nation.
How do we recognise pagan moslems? :-)
1. Women dressed in 'funny?' clothing including a big black sheet and looking through what appears to be a grill or bird cage.
2. Women walking at least thirty paces behind their men-folk with their heads down carrying the shopping and looking after the kids.
3. Men dressed as arabs with funny hat wear.
4. Men about all day every day so a moral to be on welfare or a disability pension. Of course these blokes would have been checked out by their pagan moslem doctor so all is legit.
5. Constant whinging about how badly they are treated by the , in their view, Australian Christian underclass.
6. Men can be seen at beaches perving on 'white' women and making inappropriate advances even to threatening rape. When knocked back assail these same women as Australian whores.
:-) They are some of the ways irfan. :-)
Those pagan moslems who write in this forum always whinge at how bad they are treated all because of a few bombers in varied countries and threatening us here with the same type bombs - unless we behave and convert - and how well their women are treated and how free they are as well just how much they love their wonderful garb and being dominated by their men-folk. Again irfan look around this globe and see what is happening in moslem nations and the decent nations where moslems have been allowed to settle. Go on irfan turn your TV on, listen to your radio, read the newspapers. Failing that listen to the hate filled anti-western, anti democracy sermons in your local mosque. numbat

The Islamic community is doomed. It is truly sad to come to the realisation that everytime something is said about the Islamic community, no matter how much evidence there is to support it, those like Irfan come out defending their extremely fragile identity.

I really don't know where Europe & Australia will go from here, considering there truly don't seem to be ANY moderates at all!

How can Irfan defend his point, it is totally wrong. Moreover, he actually, through some of his points, MAKES THE CASE FOR THE AUSTRALIAN better than they even did.

He comments that the Australian is wrong to say it's the most recent Muslim migrants that are causing trouble, that it is really the Lebanese & Pakistan communities, who have been here longer that are causing trouble.

Irfan, what you said was perfect! That, no the recent arrivals are ok, it's the ones here for 30 years doing the damage. So you've just made the case that Muslim migrants are dangerous, don't mix in, extremely ethnocentric (as their kids are even more extremist) and that they DON'T mix in after a generation. You should apply for a job there.

For you Muslims to jump up & down when someone says the most, rational, diplomatic thing like "There are some Muslims who wish to impose Sharia on us" is insane.

You don't see white people get angry when the media do stories on white supremacists, why would we feel offended unless we supported them. But herein lies the problem. Your leaders are extremists. Keysar Trad doesn't need introduction, his comments when Aussie captive in Iraq, Douglas Wood, said his captors were "arseholes", trad said "he is ungrateful since they did feed, cloth him and give him medicine".

THIS MEANS KEYSAR TRAD SUPPORTS EXTREMISTS. I also note his lack of care about the bombing of the holy shi'ite mosque (John Laws radio program).

PART TWO

He's a Sunni, so he hates Shi'ites. You Muslims are so factional, divided, it's a wonder any of you think about taking over this place, you all turn on each other over the drop of a hat. This is because, in general, communities like yours are ETHNOCENTRIC & RACIST to the core.

WHat on earth is wrong with the comments of those editors? I don't think they go far enough. We need to hear MUSLIMS CONDEMN Sharia law,

Where do you stand on Sharia Law Irfan? We'll I'll tell you. As a Muslim, you believe Sharia is divinely inspired, and are instructed to take it to the whole world, by any means, so tell us where you stand on it because we all need to know if you're a NAZI too like most of your leaders.

At times you appear to have insight, so all I can imagine is that you weren't bought up very strict. Start to see that you are only Muslim because your parents were Muslim, and that, if you were born in Ireland you'd be a Christian.

Having realised this, you will see that the best system for the world is western developed, invented, HUMAN RIGHTS, which protect everyone equally, and unlike sharia, don't treat outsiders like crap.

Sharia Law will never take hold in the west, all that would happen is the leftists who think of you all as exotic pets would realise that you bite and would jump ship. We'd be forced to go against our tolerant nature and vote in parties similiar to that of 1930's Europe.

Irfan, denounce Sharia. How dare you not? You think homosexuals should be stoned to death? How intolerant. You think apostates should die? And none of this crap like that's just an aspect of Sharia. I listen to the scholars at Al-Azhar University in Cairo, where the foremost experts on Islam reside, and they say these things