Part 1

The “Arab Street” conspiracy theories are quite a laugh. My personal favorite is the one where Israel was actually behind the September 11th attacks, what a thigh-slapper!
Saying that every Muslim is out for World domination and hates the West shows the same level of intellect. Best I stop buying a kebab from that bloke down the road, afterall I don’t want to fund the global conspiracy.

The radical elements who hate the West are who we need to sort out. This is best done in liaison with the moderates in the Muslim community.

Problem with that is that a lot of people who are put up to the media as moderates are at the best suffering from superiority complexes and at the worst haters of our way of life. Sheik Hilali’s “poetry reading” in Beirut spoke volumes. Here is a “moderate” who the police wanted out and was only saved by being a numbers man for the Labor party. Keysar Trad comes across well on the radio but some of his articles online demonstrate that he feels his culture is superior and ours is decadent if not disgusting. A lot of the Islamic councils spokespeople seem to be similarly wolves in sheeps clothing.

Most Muslims in Sydney are more concerned about the next Bulldogs result that global domination but how do we engage with these people? Please do not tell me that there is no such thing as they are all evil, possessed by Satan etc. From the way that muslims who seem moderate are treated on this site, I would not want to be in their spot. Perhaps civil dialogue might be a start.

Part 2

I too was extremely concerned about Muslim immigration up until statistics were released after Dana Domestic made her statement and an article came out quoting DIMA. I do not know if I read this wrong but it indicated that Middle Eastern Muslim immigrants are coming in the massive wave – to the tune of about 10,000 a year. If I am completely incorrect in these figures, please let me know. There were more Malaysian muslims (top ten in input countries) but they actually have less children than the Australian average. Unless the Islamic population of Australia bumps there productive output up to around 50 kids a family, we are a long way from being overrun.

If this figure is even remotely correct – what’s the problem? If Muslims are truly evil and after world domination we will see it happen in France and other areas of Europe before it happens here and can react to it by whatever means are necessary. In the meantime, banning the nutcase sects (wahabism), cracking down on the disgusting imams, and trying to work things out with our fellow Australians (they are Australians) is the only logical path to take. Vitriol and deathcamp talk comes from la-la land and serves no purpose.

Prepare for an avalanche of vitriol and death-camp talk, Jimmyj.

What i want to know from moderate Muslims is how do they feel about these unelected mouthpieces being held up as leaders of their communities? It seems inherently undemocratic in a country where we have elected representatives. it's like if George Pell was to go around claiming to represent me.

Responding to jimmyj:

You made a very interesting comment when you said "we will see it happen in France and other areas of Europe before it happens here and can react to it by whatever means are necessary." Banjo also said "it hasn't gone unnoticed that there have been no protests here." Finally, the news today told of the arrest of thugs from the Cronulla revenge attacks. Great news! Well done, NSW police! (It also shows that everyone gets the same treatment.)

All this points to Australia working well: success for honest and hard working; punishment for the guilty; and fairness to all.

My additional point is that France and Germany are not on the same track as Australia. French policies back only French culture, with all the regretful consequences. Until 2000, German children with migrant parents did not get citizenship, which meant they couldn't vote. So perhaps rather than France look to the United Kingdom. They have similar policies to Australia and a larger muslim population. But I think Australia will out perform the UK, because of our 'fair go' attitude.

Response to KRS1:
According to the Islamic Council of NSW website, the council members are elected at an AGM, and the Chairman was elected. State and territory councils makeup the national council. No different from other community organisations.

Jimmyj

Assuming you had a choice who would you have representing you?

Sheik Hilaly, George Pell, Kim Beazley or John Howard?

;-)

Could I expand on a question I asked previously. It seems many of you hear support the incarceration of Muslims. How then would you recognise whether someone is Muslim? How would the police recognise someone as Muslim? Are there any peculiar cultural or ethnic characteristics to look out for? I'd be happy to hear your suggestions.