If Keyser Trad and Sheik Hilay are moderates whom we can trust,then we're in more trouble than I thought.The contradictory statements that eminate from their mouths is amazing.They walk both sides of the fence to maximise their own popularity.

Can jimmy suggest some credible moderates?

Keith – if I had to choose between Sheik Hilaly, George Pell, Kim Beazley or John Howard to defend me – I think I would slash my own wrists thank you – your choice is no choice! ... and of course, I have often wondered why I was not all that fond of Ifran – he is a lawyer, someone regarded somewhat lower than a used car salesman or politician

In Jordan and Egypt they are still jailing journalists discussing the Profit and showing those cartoons.
Furor Over Cartoons Pits Muslim Against Muslim
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/22/international/middleeast/22cartoons.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
Not to mention those very friendly native Moslem Hausas killing of Christians from southern Nigeria – are they not a very peacefull mob?
At least 27 dead in Nigeria riots
ONITSHA, Nigeria (Reuters) - Revenge attacks against Muslims killed at least 27 people in southeastern Nigeria on Wednesday after anti-Christian violence killed dozens and left thousands homeless in the mainly Muslim north.

"There are thousands of boys with cutlasses and sticks on the rampage. I've counted at least 20 bodies here by the Onitsha bridge," said Reuters photographer George Esiri in the southeastern commercial hub of Onitsha.http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060222/ts_nm/religion_nigeria_dc
However having the benefit of a read through the net of late, these gems have come up from Iraq of Muslims fighting and killing Muslims and Muslims bombing each others churches – just like the Irish

Shrine Bombing Brings Deadly Reprisals
By ZIAD KHALAF, Associated Press
SAMARRA, Iraq - Insurgents detonated bombs inside one of Iraq's holiest Shiite shrines Wednesday, destroying its golden dome and triggering more than 90 reprisal attacks on Sunni mosques. The president warned that extremists were pushing the country toward civil war, as many Shiites lashed out at the United States as partly to blame.

As the gold dome of the 1,200-year-old Askariya shrine lay in ruins, leaders on both sides called for calm: But the string of back-and-forth attacks seemed to push the country closer to all-out civil war than at any point in the three years since the U.S.-led overthrow of Sadam Hussein
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060222/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

Response to Ifram:

Just want to pick on your mentioning the word "police", because it suggests that police could be involved in this mass incarceration. There is no way Australian police would be involved. So one could ask "who would be doing the rounding-up?"

To Irfan.

With 70 Australian girls raped by Muslim race hate rape packs at the time of the Olympics, with 13 Muslim men in custody charged with plotting to mass murder Australian commuters, with a race riot at Cronulla beach caused entirely by the unacceptable behaviour of Muslim men towards other beachgoers, with teachers in NSW refusing to teach in Muslim area public schools in NSW out of fear for themselves and their property, with every public official from police, ambulance officers, RTA employees, even NPWS officers complaining about the intimidatory behaviour of Muslim people, with high rates of criminal behaviour and welfare dependency in Muslim ghettoes, I think that it was entirely fair for “The Australian” newspaper to conclude that all is not well with Muslim cultural attitudes in Australia.

If you want to do your own religion a favour, Irfan, stop being a polished apologist for the unacceptable behavior of it’s adherents, and start looking at those aspects of Muslim culture that are entirely offensive to the citizens of the country to who’s ranks the Muslims claim they aspire to join.

These include a medieval mindset that appears to consider that violence should be used as a first resort whenever confronted by a trivial personal problem. A totally unacceptable attitude by Muslim men towards the status of women, a persecution complex, and an inability to consider without rabid hostility the merest suggestion that the tenets of Islam could be wrong about anything.

ODSOC your quite right. Romans 13 is exactly about that. The point I was making is that the 'Emporer' of the state has a responsibility to keep order, and that he 'wields the sword' to deter the evildoer.
I don't think Romans 13 makes a distinction between a Non Christian Emperor and a Christian one. I hope that clarifies.

IRFAN.. careful there ... tread carefully ok... we made a very clear distinction between 'Muslims' and 'those who wave signs like 'kill those who insult the prophet'. Or taunting Australians with how they will crawl when the mujahadin come. They are the ones would be incarcerated. Its tantamount to crapping on a persons face while they are held down.. No one who says such things is in my view Australian.
They are enemies of the state and its citizens. (I regard hardline communists in the same way)
Asking the question "How would u recognize a Muslim" just after a generalized 'incarceration' comment,(which was misleading in itself) you are clearly BAITING !

DAVID LATIMER you seem to have been sucked in by Irfans bait.. who spoke about incarcerating ALL Muslims ? I say incarcerate ANY enemy of the state, Muslim or otherwise.

This is the classic left/green/Muslim ploy and cry of victimhood "You disagree with us, so you HATE ALL of us"

Your comment to the ABC this morning in that interview, "Australian values are evolving" is indicative of your position "We don't know who we are, and 'who/what' we are is up for grabs by the most dominant social group".

If you don't know Aussie values by now you need therapy, or a stint in a re-education camp :) They have been listed time and again in these forums usually in connection with ths SAME question and in threads on "Multiculturalism".

TAMPA was raised in the same report, and it was suggested that Howard 'changed' the country with that. I disagree, he merely caught up !

I know the level of emotion going on in 100% of Aussies who I spoke to (at random)around Tampa time and the feeling was INTENSE.

Carnifex,

So its not really you, but everyone you know think poorly of Islam, even the Muslims you know!

I am regular audience of Seinfeld and Raymond, but you deserve a spot on TV.

Peace,