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Cutting the grass in the theatre of war : Comments

By Junaid Cheema, published 30/7/2014

In Sderot, local Israelis pulled up chairs at hill tops to watch the bombing of Gaza. The spectators took happy snaps, shared popcorn and cheered; as the Israeli Military cut the grass - dealing death on Gaza.

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Here's an interesting comment on credibility

This is Hamas' version:

" 'Hamas' declares the death of the former name of the spokesman Ayman Taha in Israeli shelling AUG 7, 2014
Gaza / Mustafa Haboush / Alonadol announced that the Islamic Resistance Movement 'Hamas' in the death of the former name of the spokesman Ayman Taha, of wounds sustained a few days ago, a result of Israeli shelling targeted an apartment which was located where the city of Gaza"
http://www.raialyoum.com/?p=133214

ANOTHER NOBLE MARTYR?

But this is what really happened as told by Alquds.com (another Palestian source BASED OUT OF JERUSALEM rather than GAZA --which is why it is able to challenge the official Hamas line)

"RAMALLAH special Jerusalemdot com confirmed private sources, it was the execution of the former leader of Hamas, Ayman Taha, 3 days ago, where his body now resides in the compound of Shifa Hospital.

The sources said, that Taha was executed by several bullets in the head and chest, where his body was dumped in the yard of "healing" and stayed for an hour without approaching one of them, before the return of other gunmen and pulled without knowing why.

Hamas has banned the publication of the news of the arrival of the corpse on Tuesday, but allowed that day after the body was re-Taha for 'healing' at three in the afternoon.

Months before the oldest Hamas security on the arrest of the former leader, 'Taha' and detained an unknown location, where he was under investigation.

Ayman Taha, accused of having ties with Arab intelligence services, as well as for the establishment of investment projects of its own under the name of the movement Hmas. and exploited position in addition to financial embezzlement led to inflated his wealth without justification.

Hamas accuses him and also to hold contacts with Palestinian figures on the runner with great movement."

http://www.alquds.com/news/article/view/id/518166

NO. ANOTHER VICTIM OF A HAMAS DEATH SQUAD!

Google will translate it to English if it pops-up in Arabic
Posted by SPQR, Saturday, 9 August 2014 2:38:29 PM
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It helps to have the full text to understand the context. doesn't it.

Al Bayyinah (Margin note. "The Clear Evidence")

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

1. Those who reject (Margin note. "Truth"), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, were not going to depart (Margin Note. "from their ways") until there should come to them Clear Evidence--

2. An messenger from Allah, rehearsing scriptures kept pure and holy:

3. Wherein are laws (Margin Note. "or decrees") right and straight.

4. Nor did the People of the Book make schisms, until after there came to them Clear Evidence.

5. And they have been commanded no more than this: to worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being True (Margin note. "in faith"); to establish regular Prayer; and to practice regular Charity; and that is the Religion Right and Straight.

6. Those who reject (Margin note. "Truth"), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-fire, to dwell therein ( Margin note. "for aye"). They are the worst of creatures.

7. Those who have faith and do righteous deeds--they are the best of creatures.

8. Their reward is with Allah: Gardens of Eternity, Beneath which rivers flow; They will dwell therein for ever; Allah well pleased with them, and they with Him: all this for such as fear their Lord and Cherisher.
Cont...
Posted by Jayb, Saturday, 9 August 2014 2:48:12 PM
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SPQR,
My next post addresses the issues you have (only) repeated in your post of the 8th.

It is quite clear to me, as it should be to the other readers, that your posts are driven by two objectives:

Objective I: Red Herring: Deflect attention from the main issue;

Objective II: Misquote Quran and the Muslim history to prove Muslims and by extension Palestinian to be so horrible that they deserve all brutalities unleashed upon them by your Israel. Same argument that the supporters of slave trade, holocaust and apartheid adopted for the justification of the attrocities.

Both of your objectives target modern day persons busy with their daily lives with little or no time to re-search fact.
Knowing that faith is a highly private affair, a mud-slinging on any faith deserves a little investigation before any attention is paid to it. About Quran, in this regard, I suggest, please look up the translations of two westerners readily available these days:

1. An ex Jew – Leopold Weis of Poland (also known as Muhammad Asad);
2. Marmaduke Willaim Pickthall (also known as Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall) – of London England. A highly esteemed author by D. H. Lawrence, HG Wells and EM Foster etc.

And for a general introduction of Islam, Timothy John Winter– Cambridge UK (now known as Abdal Hakeem Murad) widely available on Utube.

Like I said before,
On ground realities: SPQR, you have still not answered as to why Gideon Levy and a host of other people of conscience in Israel, US and Europe say what they are saying today about your Israel to the rest of the world.

And the WORLD PRESS! You don’t dare visit it. But you should, can help you to step out of your fantasy world.

Continued ….
Posted by NC, Saturday, 9 August 2014 4:36:45 PM
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SPQR
Continued ….

Now your usual red herring designed to meet your Objectives I &II (preceding part of this post).

1. You quoted a verse from Quran (30 July 9:02 AM) which is not in Quran. This is your first post on the article (your commitment to Objective II). You are questioned and you quote its location in Quran in your words “along with a lot worse.” (31 July 7:07 am). You deliberately LIED FOR THE 2ND TIME. Your Objective II established. And now your associate, pursuing Objective II, insists on a translation which is not anywhere in Quran.

2. Yes, Hadith is a collection of verbal accounts (collected about 150 year after the death of Prophet (PBH) and yes it is a human effort whereas Quran (in my faith) is the Word of God. Anything more from you on the subject of Hadith will be ignored as Red Herring.

3. On human deaths at the hands of Muslims (Your Objective II): count them (from reliable historic references - no hate-site stuff), add them up and compare with deaths in European wars that I pointed out for instance, you will see my point. Like I said before, Human history is bloody and you cannot blame it all on Muslims – How many times you want me to say this?

4. Yes, nothing compares with the Atlantic slave trade in volume and brutality in the history of mankind. The accounts are in front to you as an open book - with all western sources. You refuse to read reliable history books, blame yourself not me.

5. ISIS: I don’t condone brutal capture of state authority. Theories abound, but I do not know who these guys really are. If it was in my power, I would bring this crowd before law and try them for crimes against humanity. However, their crimes, can no way be seen as the crimes of Palestinians - justifying the Israeli brutalities you so passionately support. Anything more from you on the issue will be ignored as Red Herring.
Posted by NC, Saturday, 9 August 2014 4:49:42 PM
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Jayb, here's one for you, "The most outrageous use of Jewish children, however, would be illustrated when the Israeli army invited them to write messages of hate on the missiles about to be launched against Lebanese children during Israel's July 2006 invasion of Lebanon"
Posted by markjohnconley, Saturday, 9 August 2014 6:53:57 PM
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It helps to have the full text to understand the context. doesn't it.

Al Bayyinah (Margin note. "The Clear Evidence")

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

1. Those who reject (Margin note. "Truth"), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, were not going to depart (Margin Note. "from their ways") until there should come to them Clear Evidence--

2. An messenger from Allah, rehearsing scriptures kept pure and holy:

3. Wherein are laws (Margin Note. "or decrees") right and straight.

4. Nor did the People of the Book make schisms, until after there came to them Clear Evidence.

5. And they have been commanded no more than this: to worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being True (Margin note. "in faith"); to establish regular Prayer; and to practice regular Charity; and that is the Religion Right and Straight.

6. Those who reject (Margin note. "Truth"), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-fire, to dwell therein ( Margin note. "for aye"). They are the worst of creatures.

7. Those who have faith and do righteous deeds--they are the best of creatures.

8. Their reward is with Allah: Gardens of Eternity, Beneath which rivers flow; They will dwell therein for ever; Allah well pleased with them, and they with Him: all this for such as fear their Lord and Cherisher.
...Cont

markjohnconley:

Yes bad,I agree, but they don't teach kids in school to hate & have pantomimes about killing Palestinian or Lebanon kids do they. As happens in Palestinian schools.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etDb5tXPawc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT6iKFQDEP4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bra53uzgPDk
Posted by Jayb, Saturday, 9 August 2014 8:58:33 PM
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