Dear LEGO, you wrote "whatever the Israelis do to protect themselves is fair and reasonable."
I see your point which must be appearing very convincing to you.
The point is that no one can be party and the judge at the same time; basic civilized law...basic. Israel takes the position of both at the same time.
On the other hand UN High Commissioner for Human Rights accuses Israel of committing war crimes and The Amnesty International resolves to investigate it and Israel opposes this resolution with none other than one country siding with Israel. It is Israeli defiance of the rest of the world and insistence of dictating the world that impedes peaceful resolution and civilized behavior dear LEGO. Will Israel accept the findings of Amnesty International's enquiry?
If one side is allowed to commit a crime and require every one else to accept its version only, then such ironies occur that the side which markets "Bomb Gaza" video games for their children (please google it) blames the other side, in the same breath of teaching violence to their children.

Let me take this opportunity dear LEGO to remind you that I have not heard any remorse from you for trying to fabricate Quran. You have neither provided proof of you false claim that "base matters" version is indeed from Quran, nor you have posted an apology. Basic civilized behavior demands one or the other.
Best regards

Dear Jayb, you wrote "So, Mc Adam what have you to say about "Margin notes" placed there by Learned Mullahs? Caught out? I think so"

Margin notes dear Jayb are interpretations or explanations of the translator. They reflect translator's level and may or may not be in accordance with the text. Theoretically speaking, you could be a translator and write a margin note; how much credibility should that be given?

You had earlier written:-
"out of base matters" as opposed to "what they know" I guess it a translation quandary............I may help you to understand English much better. "

Now your position is that you are better qualified to help me understand Quran, as Quran is what is under discussion, because you claim to have superior knowledge of English language. Understanding Quran better on the strength of knowledge of English language? Quran which is in Arabic. Do you see the fallacy of your assertion?
The kind of discussion you are trying to initiate takes place when quakes claim to be experts.

I had pleaded with you that result oriented and meaningful discussion presupposes exchange of truth. How do you discuss when you are not sure what you are getting is truth? Therefore, I had submitted that "please get back to me only if you can produce the copy of Quran with your version of translation. Without that your statements would be of no value to me and I'll ignore them"

Best regards

To McAdam.

As soon as you say "Human Rights" you have lost me. "Human Rights" was a concept dreamed up by US slave owners which has morphed to become a wish list for socialist tyranny. Despite freedom of speech being considered a fundamental human right, the entire, publically funded human rights quango in Australia was missing in action over 18C and the Bolt affair. The only time the left or Islam cares about human rights is when they can get some mileage out of it. Since when has Islam ever given a damn about human rights? Your pathetic claim is like a professional car thief who gets outraged and runs to the police when somebody steals his car.

The UN Human Rights Organisation has included such members as Cuba and Ghaddafi's Libya. These people are not going to preach human rights to me.

I find it funny that many Euros think like you do and they are the ones having these "crimes against humanity" show trials. But unless the Euros start thinking straight, in 50 years time they will be in exactly the same position as the Israelis are now, with Muslim "intifadas" of their own. The portents are already clear with the occasional riots, car burnings and Muslim patrols in London enforcing Sharia Law. The Euros are going to wonder how stupid they could have been to condemn the Israelis for doing what they will need to do, to survive in a society in which they have foolishly imported people bent on their social annihilation.

And I have not tried to fabricate the Koran at all. I quoted from internet sites which point out how Islam is fundamentally dangerous. I did not even bother to refute your "explanations" by Muslim scholars of the five clearly dangerous quotes, because the "explanations" were clearly spin, and bad spin at that.

NC,

<<Red Herring[s] >>
No. It was you who introduced the “diversions” . And then when they get shot down you whine about it.

<< [Quotes unsavoury aspects of Islamic history] and by extension Palestinian to be so horrible that they deserve …>>
Again. It was you who first made reference to Islamic history. And, I made no reference to the Palestinians deserving anything (good or bad). But now that you brought it up there is one extension to make. Our little discussion has well illustrated just how narrowly one-eyed and dishonest you and Hadi and McAdam (the spokespersons for the Palestinians) are. And has thrown into doubt any testimony you make.

And cherry picking an odd (in every meaning of the word) source that gives you a good review may work at the local madrasah but it won’t work here.

AND THIS IS PARTICULARLY TELLING:
<<[You] keep repeating stuff from Google-searched hate-sites. >>
So Wikipedia is a hate site?
Wikipedia if anything is left of centre and more favourable to your side. Comments like yours above clearly illustrates your locked mind.As I predicted you simply will not take on board anything that present an unsavoury side of Islam!

The significance of most things seems to pass at 30,000 feet about your head --see your little questions/points below:
1) [ Levy’s assessment]
It is not at all significant that Levy should make an anti-Israeli assessment.There are thousands of such statements in most liberal democracies every day.What is significant is that:
a) You cannot find parallel anti-Hamas sentiments openly expressed in Hamas territory.
b) If a similar statement had been aired in Oz about Muslims or Palestinians or Arabs your fellow cheerleaders would be squawking “Islamophobia” or “racism”.

NC: by application of same standards, it would be absolutely clear that both Torah and Bible preach more violence and are relatively much less compatible with modern times.

I can't speak for the Torah but I'd like you to quote me equivalent passages in the Christian Bible for these two in the Koran.

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike
off every fingertip of them"
Telling people to kill unbelievers.

Sura (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (Margin note. "at home") and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (Margin note. "at home"). Unto all (Margin note . "Faith") Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (Margin note. "at home") by a special reward."

Telling people that Allah will reward them well for killing unbelievers.

Now as regards the American & British slave trade. Who did they buy the their slaves off? Oh my God! It was Arab (Muslim) Slave Traders. Well I'll be!

McAdam, "Margin notes" were put in by "Learned Mullahs," complete with who & the date, not translators. You knew that.

Answer the 13 questions, McAdam, NC & anyone else please.

Nc (continued)

2 <<Why your posts completely ignore the world press? Quote the world press instead of Google-searched hate sites>>
And this one is comical! You guys need to get your story straight.Junaid Cheemays at the start of this thread made the claim-- QUOTE: << "Israel has the right to defend itself!" shout the popular headlines>> translation: the press is pro-Israel.
And then we had in quick a number of posters talking about how <<brave>> Junaid was (and wanting to date him) for making an stand against the prevailing tide.And now you are squawking *look at what the press is saying* LOL You guys better get your alibi straight
3. << Have you ever asked yourself as to why the entire planet dislikes your Israel and disapproves of its actions?>>
Really! It aint true by any stretch of the imagination (even and imagination as wild as yours!) But it does provide a significant little insight into your thinking --or lack of it. If a lot of people were to dislike Israel/Israelis/Jews apparently we should take that on board as a salient lesson--- BUT if if a lot of people form an adverse opinion about Islam or Palestinians or Arabs that is "Islamophobia” or “racism “

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And on related issue/poster
1) It is highly significant that the poster who is so particular about getting citations of the Koran correct can make wild substantiated claims like this:

<<some are saying outright that Muslims in general and Palestinians in particular are subhuman and therefore are a fair game>>

<< This argument that Muslims…deserve to be exterminated is the same as practiced by some animals >>

It shows true calibre,eh!

As does this:

<< Margin notes dear Jayb are interpretations or explanations of the translator. They reflect translator's level and may or may not be in accordance with the text. Theoretically speaking, you could be a translator and write a margin note; how much credibility should that be given?>>

And then proceeds to impose his own interpretation --what a joke!