SPQR, Continued ….

The dialogue at your end has turned into a monologue. You don’t answer my questions and keep repeating stuff from Google-searched hate-sites. Remember, the internet is full of material exact opposite of that you quote. The present day reader is fully aware of such material, so I see no point in repeating what you are doing.

On my unanswered questions (that I have asked you so many times) I must remind you that the following are still unanswered.

1. You have still not answered as to why Gideon Levy and a host of other people of conscience in Israel, US and Europe say what they are saying today about your Israel to the rest of the world;

2. Why your posts completely ignore the world press? Quote the world press instead of Google-searched hate sites filled with misinformation. People are interested in credible information.

An now I must add the third question:

3. Have you ever asked yourself as to why the entire planet dislikes your Israel and disapproves of its actions?

TO WHOM MAY CONCERN
<<Some are saying that Islam is incompatible with present times>>
If a creed needs apostate laws (ala trade protection barriers) to protect itself it can hardly be said to be up with the times.

<<some are saying outright that Muslims in general and Palestinians in particular are subhuman and therefore are a fair game>>
REALLY ! where did you read that <<saying >> on this thread?

<<Remember, what this forum set out to discuss? The atrocities unleashed in Gaza…>>
No. You must be thinking about one of those Hamas <<forums>>.
This thread –on this forum --was started by one Junaid Cheema to promote his one-eyed view of the current conflict—whether what is happening represents “[A]trocities unleashed in Gaza and the support of the brutal siege and holocaust of Palestinians with the cheers of the spectators of a Roman Colosseum as grass cutting?” is debatable.


<< This argument that Muslims…deserve to be exterminated is the same as practiced by some animals >>
REALLY ! where did you read that <<argument>> on this thread?

<<And this point of such and such being week or backward needs a look back; all have been through those phases; just a little sole searching is needed here.>>
OK you have a look at your <<sole>> .

<<Please stick to the topic and accept that Palestinians are fellow humans and need to be treated as equals. Or reject this notion and we can agree to disagree.>>

The first issue to be addressed is whether the sources team Islam rely on can be relied on :
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16545#290033
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16545#289437

The insistence on Islam being incompatible with modern times will result in comparative study of religions. I will not criticize Torah as it is part my belief that it is God's word revealed to His messenger Moses and I will not criticize Bible for it is part of my belief that it is God's word revealed to His messenger Jesus. But, by application of same standards, it would be absolutely clear that both Torah and Bible preach more violence and are relatively much less compatible with modern times. ( literature of credible non Muslims sources available) If it is not Islam, what religion it is that is compatible with present times? I would have asked if that was the topic.

I would rather stick to the topic and say that I get the impression that the other side confirms Junaid's observation, that it indeed is the case as he has described. However they appear to be to parrying the direct confession and introduce diversions. If this is not the case, they should say so clearly and directly and that is the end of discussion.
Best regards

NC: This argument that Muslims are ignorant, with inferior IQ and backwardness and therefore deserve to be exterminated is the same as practiced by some animals who cannibalize their fallen fellow animals;

I would hope for the same sentiments to be returned by Muslims towards unbelievers but as we have seen by the Surah's that have posted, Muslim are forbidden to do that. I'd like to remind you that, I, personally was told by an Imam that because I wasn't a Muslim, I was an animal & could be killed, no problem. Although he was referring to a group of Orang Asli at the time.

So, Mc Adam what have you to say about "Margin notes" placed there by Learned Mullahs? Caught out? I think so.

The little Quiz about the origins of Palestine as a country. Don't want to answer that? Why not?

I do have a very old Koran somewhere. It was given to be in Malaysia in 67/69 by my Amah. Her Imam said it was a very good translation. It has the Arabic to English then heaps of margin notes & who made them & when. But Dammed if I can put my hand on it.

I have a KJB, a Catholic Bible, a Torah (with margin notes as well), a Morman Bible, a Buddhist "Eight Fold Path." & a Bhagaved Gita. The funny thing they all preach the same thing in their own way. The Koran is the only one that emphatically insists on killing unbelievers.

NC: . “Karen Armstrong’s short history offers a vital corrective to” the narrow view, etc.

She & Gideon Levy and a host of other people are entitled to their view, even if it's wrong. I can't force them to be right. I'm not going to execute them for their view. This isn't an Islamic State.

NC: Google-searched hate-sites.

The UTube links I send you are of Islamic Mullahs, Islamic Leaders & highly thought of Islamic Spokespeople. Your people, not hate filled unbelievers. They are only videos showing what THEY are saying & doing. Don't you like the Truth.

NC: by application of same standards, it would be absolutely clear that both Torah and Bible preach more violence and are relatively much less compatible with modern times.

I can't speak for the Torah but I'd like you to quote me equivalent passages in the Christian Bible for these two in the Koran.

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Telling people to kill unbelievers.

Sura (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (Margin note. "at home") and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (Margin note. "at home"). Unto all (Margin note . "Faith") Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (Margin note. "at home") by a special reward."

Telling people that Allah will reward them well for killing unbelievers.

Also I have a problem with "Angels & Gins, yes I know they are in the Unbelievers Books to. But the problem is that there are no such things. Lies.

Now as regards the American & British slave trade. Who did they buy the their slaves off. Oh my God! It was Arab (Muslim) Slave Traders. Well I'll be!

To McAdam.

At no time has anybody on OLO ever claimed that Palestinians are subhuman.

I am defending the right of the Israelis to self defence from a Nazi religion that is obsessed with their extermination. In WW2 the allies did much the same thing to the Germans, as the Israelis are now doing to the Muslims. We deliberately targeted German civilians in order to destroy Germany's war machine, and we deliberately killed their women and children by the hundreds of thousands. We did it because they were the ones who began the war bombing civilian areas themselves, and committing atrocities like machine gunning refugee columns as an instrument of tactical military policy.

The Allies did not like dropping 4 megatons of high explosive on German civilians, but we were faced with an implacable and genocidal enemy bent on our self destruction. And just like the Israelis, we were playing for keeps. Supporting the Muslims is exactly like supporting the German Nazis. For the Palestinians to complain about the Israelis shooting back at them is like the Nazis complaining about the RAF bombing them, or the Khmer Rouge complaining about genocide. But I will say one thing for the Nazis, they did not deliberately put military equipment in schools, hospitals and churches and then invite the Allies to bomb them.

The Muslims wish to exterminate Israel and that is the issue. Everybody has the right to self defence and until HAMAS, the PLO, the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran, Al Qaida and ISIS agree with Israel's right to exist, then whatever the Israelis do to protect themselves is fair and reasonable. If the "Palestinians" want the bombardment to stop, then stop provoking Israel and stop shooting rockets over the border. It is as simple as that. For HAMAS to claim in knew nothing about the kidnapping, or the tunnels, or the rockets, rings as hollow as Adolph Hitler claiming that he knew nothing about what the Luftwaffe did.