PF, the animal libber groups can say whatever they like, with seeming
impunity. Look at some of the claims that Peta made, like "dinner
plate size pieces of flesh" were apparently removed at mulesing.
Now most lambs at mulesing are only the size of a large dinner
plate, anyone who knows about it knows thats just rubbish. They
were told, but it made no difference, don't let the truth get in
the way of a good story lol.

Thats why they have so little credibility, outrageous claims which
they don't have to prove. I guess these groups need and want
public money, so they push peoples emotional buttons whichever way
they can.

PF
Firstly on behalf of pale staff members and crapy lawyers we would like to wish yourself and country Girl Jenna Nicky and Animal Welfare posters or readers a very Happy Mothers day.
oh what the heck you too Yabbs your like and old woman anyway, he he he.
PF Whats got up your nose again. You always jump to conclusions who said George aimed that message at you.
Despite that we are aware you are one of the very few who put in enormous time to do your bit to improve conditions for animals.
As a free Range farmer your posts are invaluable. So as we know you dont do it for us we thank you on behalf of the Animals.
Happy Mothers Day. From All of us.

Rojo You comment on the other thread was a fair and wise one which I intend to take on board as much as possible.

Good One on the AVA . Great somebody is pointing the people in the right direction. I hope to see a lot more of it. i wonder if we could get insight or somebody to bring on a debate. AVA vets verses every day Vets. See what we can do and let you know.
Thats The Australian Veterinary Association Verses every day Vets.

We have a Vet who is a member actually. He used to export live cattle to ME years ago. That is until he went over and saw it.
I know he would love to debate it on live TV with the young AVA Vets who usually just come out of college and by the way have a new President elected each year.
Last but not least Yabbs I cant see any animal libbers on here tonight can you? Only the old rednecks up in QLD. Dream On I know you miss Nicky. Try to contribute something towards animal welfare. Tell us about your animals the girls are telling me to say.

Whats got up my nose pale? - comments like that to start with. This is a public forum and correct me if I am wrong, but posts are meant to be read by all? I don’t care that your threats were directed at another poster, I still read them and see how badly you treat anyone that opposes your view. It seems the only way you can defend what you do, attack and threaten other posters. Pretty poor form pale.

Yabby – it is very unfortunate that some of the animal libbers would prefer to run with sensationalism when they could stick to the facts and still get the reaction they were looking for. It just makes it so easy for the other side to make them look silly when they make exaggerated claims. Do they ever actually consult with people in the industry to at least try and make some of these claims credible? I wish some of them had contacted me before they made certain public claims about pigs in an effort to tug on gullible heart strings.

Anyway, what is happening with this court case? (and I don’t mean any threatened action by pale:) )

PF
Sorry no can Do. We are not about to post details of cases in consideration- other than basic priniple up on the net-
Nor are we Libbers. I do not see Yabby talking to libbers here either.
I have not got a clue what you mean about groups speaking with yourself.
WE certainly did not do much regarding pigs. We support your efforts and as you know I personally arranged for a form to be sent to you suggesting you go on the advisory board for animal welfare regarding pig farming.
Clearly you were not interested because you did not reply to Antje. We also offrered to set ou up in a ag school and assist you to fund your book.
There is nothing else we can do. We have always wished you well in your efforts which are nothing short of amazing.
If I were voiceless or Animals Australia I would have wrapped you up in cotton wool and made you an offer you couldnt refuse.
It must be VERY frustrating to have all your knowledge and have offered to share that knowledge to be ignored.
Yeh I know they put you on the web site now after we gave them a biffing about it. `Good`
I think your the answer staring them in the face. You know it and so do I.
What more could a animal welfare groups ask for than a Free range Farmer helping educate the public.
I am as frustrated about it as you are. However our main task at the monent IS live exports and to be honest[really honest] we were asked not to work on pigs and stick to live exports after your calls.
Not that I always do what I am told. You dont want to work with us to meet these Russian Business people to put up the ag school so there IS nothing I can Do about that.
Umm Sorry about the up your nose comment. Probably should not have said that. Looking back it doesnt read well.
We still hope you enjoyed mothers day.

For pity sake … these threads are not all about pale

Just to steer you back on track “Judge Hands Down Findings on EMANEL EXPORTS WA” that’s the heading at the top of the page:)
I don’t have the slightest interest in any actions being brought about or thought about by pale. I was interested in the Emanuel case.

You had nothing at all to do with my relationship with Voiceless or AA so stop patting yourself on the back.

Yabby – I am sure you understood that I was referring to your comments, no reference at all to pale.

PF
I am busy. You can play your games with anybody you like. It means zero to me. I am pleased you are now talking with the others and I most sincerly mean that. However your `written` word tells a different story. Your original complaint to me was certain people had refused to support Free Range Farmers any further than to say they did.
We wrote and left those people in no uncertain terms how we felt about that and still do.
Soon after that you a ``least 'were put up on their site.'
I am sure our complaint helped.
Despite that what else is happening in regards to support not only yourself but Free Range Farmers?
As for the court Case I suggest you contact them.
We have supported the matter as much as possible and will contiune to do so.
If you have nothing postive to post then dont. We will contiune to support all Free Range Farmers leaving personal views to one side.
I suggest you concentrate on promting good farmers and free range farmers and stop making trouble.
Mainly because its you that its hurting nobody else.

What you have with pale is a group of dedicated non paid people working to improve animal welfare.
For some reason that bothers a small group of people.
Interesting.
Even if we had never acheived anything I wont have you continue
to rubbish good people with good intentions.
Why do you think Taryn didnt reply. Because she was shocked and hurt to see you at it again. Thats why.
She also works hard. We appreciate the few times you have actually made comments regarding the animals and encourage you to continue for the sake of the animals.
best wishes for the future to you.