Whether you appreciate what I have to say or not is of little worry to me wendy.

You started this thread to discuss the Emanuel case but it seems you know nothing of it at all. "Go ask them myself?" This was just another excuse to flog a dead horse. How tiresome.

PF
I do not know your problem as much as we have tried to help.
The fact remains yes your efforts to do the right thing by the animals you breed are appreciated.
Other than that as I said best wishes for the future.
Re Emanuel we are aware what is happening however it is certainly not our place to put that information up.
Perhaps somebody from there might like to say something . Many have contacted us and stated its pretty clear that not all efforts are appreciated. No Matter we support anyone and everyone. You should know that.
It is a matter of record we have stood by all groups.
That remains although we hold our own views as others do. Thats what makes it good.
Many people just like yourself all working for the one purpose.
For the Animals.
Now unless as I said you have something to say re that we will not be responding.
The old saying- You can Lead a horse to water- applies.
Also we have been asked not to try to work with you.
I thought I would go against that because your a free range farmer however I have been proved wrong. It seems others were correct.
As I said Very best wishes

Oops PF, she's really told you now :)

I havent heard any results, but what it came down to is that the
WA Govt supports the live trade, aware of the many changes that
have been made to boats, procedures etc, quite different to the
trade some years ago. Ignoring all those changes is of course a
folly. They are also aware of the economic importance of the
trade to farmers in this State. Feedlots are legal in this State,
so what does it matter if they float?

Anyhow, the WA Govt changed the animal welfare act, the intent
being pets, dogs, cats etc. But new laws mean new interpretations
by lawyers, new legal arguments. This is whats been done, as
I understand it, in this case. If the case should go against the
live export trade, then the Govt will have to change the laws,
simple as that. But before they did that, I think the idea was
to first see how they were interpreted in the courts.

Dear Yabby
Have you never heard of the doctrine of "separation of powers"? The independence of the judiciary from the government? If the WA government intervenes in tbis case it is clear corruption, particularly after Animals Australia had to issue a writ of Mandamus to force the Department of Local Government to act in the first place after the RSPCA failed to do so.
Everyone else - it would be SO GOOD to see a thread not develop into a free-for-all slanging match about "veggie" groups and others, obscure threats and insults, and not maligning other groups (BTW - what sensationalism? They say nothing about live exports,intensive pig farming, battery hen farming, rodeos, circuses etc that is not true. It is just that Yabby doesn;t want to know. Get some facts at www.liveexportshame.com.
I have read the fairytales at www.liveexportcare.com. There is a reason why biased journos like Cameron Morse get to go on the "Becrux". He should, along with the charming Ms Copping, go for a trip on the "Maysora", or the "Bader III" at a time of the year when temperatures are soaring.
Now -can we please keep it nice and maintain a bit of focus on the topic?
Nicky

Nicky, of course I know about the separation of the powers. You miss
the point entirely. When those people sitting in Govt write policy,
they usually have various intent in mind. Look at taxation policy
for instance. When that policy passes as law, its then challenged
by a whole pile of lawyers in the courts. With taxation, they find
all sorts of loopholes that perhaps were overlooked and the intent
of the law not resulting as was intended. The law is then changed.
Not much different in this case it seems, depending on the outcome.
That has little to do with the separation of powers, the Govt still
being accountable for the laws passed.

As to websites, I'll stick to those who are accountable for what
they have written, such as MLA, which is acountable to both Govt
and growers. Who are animal libber groups accountable to? Peta
seems accountable to nobody for instance. Other sites showing
old historical video clippings certainly do not reflect the
standards of today.

If you've looked at the plans of the two new Siba ships being built,
you'd have to concede that much is changing in the live export
trade. Even NZ is hiring their ships to cart breeding animals to
Mexico. To ignore these changes, to keep claiming that what happened
years ago, is still reality today, is simply wrong and not objective
in my opinion.

But then when we talk of objectivity, given that various veggies
have expressed clear dislike for farmers on these boards, I don't
really expect it anymore

Hi Yabby
The point about the doctrine of the separation of powers is that the judiciary MUST remain independent of influence by government.
It's funny you should talk about the standards of the ships (can you have forgotten the maiden voyage of the"Becrux"? The AMSA/AQIS Mortality Report can be found at www.liveexportshame.com. It just so happens that I have in front of me an AQIS summary of, for example, the "Maysora" voyage of October 12 2006 (not that historic) on which 3.18% of the cattle died. There was another nasty incident with the old "Maysora" in Fremantle some months earlier, wasn't there? This report also notes that a voyage from Tasmania earlier in the year recorded 1,683 sheep died of "inanition" (don't you love the euphemism for starvation?)on the ancient "Al Messilah". It appears that the exporters didn't do the right thing by the almighty Standards regarding the number of days the animals are to have in feedlots prior to loading in either case. The same applies to the other voyages in this summary report. You can't even follow your OWN standards
Standards for ships have changed slightly since January 2007; for example they must all have back electrical/ventilation systems. But AMSA has handed over the animal welfare responsiblity to AQIS, so the situation is that AQIS knows nothing about ships and AMSA knows nothing about animals. But even if these animals were being sent on the QEII, it doesn't change what happens to them when they get there. The film I have seen of Egypt is from December 2006/January 2007, AFTER the signing of two MoUs with that country, so it is hardly "historic" either.
You should really give up trying to defend the indefensible, and get over your "veggie" phobia as well. I have absolutely no problem with you wanting to have rotting animal parts in your body and risking cancers and heart disease. It's your choice. And it is naive to believe that no-one is accountable for the content on thie websites too - all websites are registered to someone.
Nicky