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There is a cult system by self appointed so called leaders of Animal Welfare in Australia who ‘claim’ to represent all.

If you are the peak Organisation of anything you have a clear duty to exchange information with 'all interested bodies and groups equally'. That would also include Senators.
Especially when our group represents the larger population that are meat eaters.
I can say in all honesty Nicky that has not been the case. Emails went out telling others not to work with pale.

People were instructed not to stand next us when our members protested against live exports in Surfers Paradise.

According to the spokes person who told channel 9 news and us together those orders came from Andrew.

I am NOT saying that was true.I am only telling you what channel 9 and pale were informed.

Its possible Andrew`s the victim here of false statements.

However we were told they were ordered not to stand next to the RSPCA Ban Live Exports Banner.

One of the people standing with us was a ‘very senior member of another group and could not believe what they saw and heard.

This message was given to us by the spokes person- ‘same lady’ whom had attended my private home our’ first meeting.’?

The same one who `kept saying` to Lindy they were not members of any other groups.

The same person who took all names and contact details at that meeting of each person called each person and later called them instructing them not to join pale and recommended another group.

All we cared about was the more people to help animals despite groups names. "That has not changed and never shall".

The first we heard about it was when preparing for our first BBQ for the people who had attended the meeting a week earlier.

One young man arrived alone and informed us nobody was attending.

He was very upset and requested we go with him in his car.

We went and he drove us past a park at Burleigh where everybody was gathering 'with that same lady'

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Some members were in tears after working hard preparing the BBQ.

I will ALWAYS be grateful to that young man for his honesty.


I felt grateful to have tripped over this interesting twist so early in the kick off to pale.

Just before you break in declaring how pale dare air this to the public- I remind ‘everybody’ that there was an ABC programme The Blind Eye and a five page spread in the Australian.

Many statements made by Dr Wirth and others about disunity within Animal Welfare groups.

We are simply putting up a counter argument for the ‘first time’ we have also documented this information with the Federal Government.

We support the RSPCA because they are the legal body of Animal Welfare in Australia.

We owe a great deal to our QLD RSPCA CEO

We also applauded the ABC blind Eye programme and the Australian Newspaper report.

Our stand is for Animals and everybody who works for them. “Everybody”.

Our organisation with its work with Muslim leaders applied to become members of WSPA.

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"That was flatly rejected? Rather interesting Nicky don’t you think?"

It warrants a full investigation and outlines the need for changes to be made in Australia putting in an independent body in charge of Animal Welfare.

PETA for example refuse to speak with us?

After ignoring dozens of letters Mrs Struthmann contacted the lady in charge of live exports by telephone.

PETA hung up in her ear.

Rather interesting.

One can only ponder as to why.

Was it because we promote the slaughter of Animals in Australia and joint arrangements between Australian Farmers and overseas purchasers of meats?

Why not speak fellow animal lovers?

Considering pale work in conjunction with RSPCA QLD to bring about alternatives to live exports to improve Animal Welfare.

Remember Nicky these! Are the people some of our "Peak Animal Welfare groups are working together with?

This cult of unfriendliness that we were warned about by a high ranking Animal Welfare person most certainly DOES exist.

PALE, I don't pretend to now what the arguments are here behind this animosity, but you must remember that people always have the right to decide who they want to speak to and/or do business with. It seems that a lot of energy (on the part of PALE) is being expended on criticizing and undermining all other groups than PALE. It is all basically counter-profuctive, and none of it seems to be especially related to the "meat-eating" culture either, since all the other groups, including PETA, actively promote a carcass/chilled meat trade over live exports, and while it would be their preference (I expect) that animals not be slaughteed at all, they are all quite realistic about the possibility of that happening in the forseeable future. There seems to be much more to this than the (ENDLESS) debate about who does and doesn't eat meat. Are you referring to Glenys Oojges and/or Lyn White of Animals Australia?
All the other groups seem to be actively promoting the "welfare" perspective if animals MUST be farmed for food (such as www.savebabe.com and www.savethesheep.com)
Andrew Bartlett probably cannot be seen to publicly favour one group over another, and even if he could that is his choice also. I would think that he may not have reviewed, or contacted anyone else about their submissions to the National Animal Welfare Review either. Many other groups, I would think, saw what a sham that review had actually become, given who presided over it and who was part of it, and no doubt Senator Bartlett did too.
It isn't really clear to me what exactly, in real terms, you wanted him, or any of the other groups to do.
Your posts seem to be trying to indicate that you have all that you wanted in place, so I'm a bit mystified about exactly what it is you want from the others.
Nicky

Whats with the Nicky/Jenna thing on the above post. Has Nicky been Jenna all along? Has Jenna tried to pass herself of as Nicky? Why deny being in Tas(or NSW) if you really are one and the same.

Does this halve paleifs supporter numbers?

We need answers.
The truth would be nice too.

Jenna Hi
Contact-
AACT_now@hotmail.com or via telephone: 0408 970 359 (ask for Yvette).
No Animosity from us.
Want Co-operation.
Want farmers located... Abattoirs found. Land found.
Want people and members Australia wide -meet and greet overseas Visitors.
Want a new fairer Animal Welfare head or body so nobody can black list just ‘one group’ like PALE
Others to stop blacklisting us. Blocking our memberships. Not to set up the very thing we requested they assist with and work WITH us
.Such as Marketing of Halal Meats to ME.
Animal Liberation working with us to help establish Free Range Poultry Farms with our overseas contacts.
AA to do likewise re pigs.
All round co operation and to be included and share. Membership of WSPA
Other than that- An enquiry into the rejection of membership. Peak Organisations refusing to treat everybody equally “not expectable”... May new independent body register of Animal Welfare body?

. Lyn White. We fully support. Love her onboard at our meetings with Muslim Heads from overseas

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Nicky’

Question Is?
Is this dog determined attitude not to work with us political?
Or just-
Jealousy, control, power, fund raising. Possibly all combined.

For the record PALE does not fund raise. Too busy working on projects.
Nobody draws wages including lawyers.

Last year Antje contacted a head person in ‘another attempt’ to work united regarding live exports.
A few days later Antje was informed of a ship in WA with sheep onboard broken down.

As it happened that very weekend I had the head of Halal Meats Australia `s CEO as guests with his wife and parents from India.
“Had’ we known he “would have done everything in his power to assist those sheep
It’s now clear this person was aware of the ship “at the time Antje called”.

That’s ~ precisely why` Antje called but still that person said ‘nothing about the ship stuck in WA
How would you feel about that Nicky? I think you would be as angry as we were and ‘he’ was. Antje had a few words. Resulted they cancelled MY private membership.

Rojo
I think thats a fair enough request that you made. Not that I would say Nicky had ever supported pale - or Jenna.

That in itself is rather interesting considering you would think people working for animals would naturally be united.

If you read back most of the posts you will find that most are actually anti pale.

OLO has been a perfect example of the goings on of these other groups to rubbish pale.

They just dont post in their real names as you can see.

I think you will find neither Nicky or Jenna the name of that poster.

In contrast we have always been upfront as to who we are.

From what I can see the go is to stop anybody else opening animal groups.
This seems to be far beyond Australia too.
We have been helping a little Japanese lady who wanted to do something to help stray dogs.

A well known organisation basically told her she would have to go through them
"It has familar ring to it."

To whom it may concern.
We have heard a wspa about funds been requested to sell carcass meat to ME.
Thats is best left to working with the Muslim Leaders of this country.
That of course is AFIC, HKM who have worked very hard to get things to the stage we are ready to promote this.

Again you work against us while trying to copy our work.

If you stuff the trade which ' I beleive' you will then the damage will be done forever.

As you were all invited to work with us but declined its best left to us to contiune.

This is just another example of how some work against a bunch of hard working non paid people.

There are many members of pale who dont post on OLO however have worked very hard.

We will continue to work for animals and we wont be bullied - or blocked.

Your actions and behavouir really are beyond the pale.