I'm sure Libya's money is a good as anyones, why not trade with them. The MoU is all about improving animal welfare during the export process.

http://www.maff.gov.au/releases/07/07056pm.html

1 Hello Jenna, Nicky
Jenna dont worry about Nigel.
Thats "just what they want" a debate about that.
Then somebody says people in Australian bush transport them that way. Before you know the focuss has switched from ME to Aussie farmers. Called politics.


2 Your on the ball re ABC story.
This holds the key. Bit of a sercurity problem with our sponsers.
As well with the MOU with Muslim leaders. Its carefully we tread. This is one boat we dont want to rock the wrong way.

Yes its true. There are different requirements for Halal accreditations. Personally I have always found its more about money than anything.
[ I ought to add with `some overseas contacts]

AQIS can NOT bend the rules for anybody. Its most important they dont. These people are smart and See Australia as a hub for Halal Meats.

They like disease free green products. No reason to bend our standards "for anybody".
Important the public understand there are about 13 Halal certifiers in Australia alone and hundreds elsewhere.
If we put Animal Welfare to the side and looked at todays world we have to consider this more.
Why are we still giving electronic export licences through AQIS?
How do we know whom we are dealing with?. We all saw the AWB enquiry and 'where' the Government and Industry sent our money.

Surely it is in the "interests of the public saftey that we have ONE National accreditation for Halal Meats.

Apart from meat we dont want the same inta fighting between Muslim groups as overseas.
This needs to be done as a matter of urgency by the Government.
I hope you are following Jenna.

RE your question about the Catholic or Muslim. No there is no reason for either as both readily except chilled meat.
Perhaps you could petition the heads of the Catholic Churches to stop it OR At least to do as Muslim leaders have done and put out a media Release that Catholic dont require animals alive for religious rituals.
I would rather think that might be in their interests.
Wouldnt You?

Rojo Nicky Jenna.
Rojo, Thanks for that. Yes I know but remember FF and APA etc wont pass on info to farmers. Sure we can get Liba and others ' except' they wont let us talk to the farmers. I hope you understand that everybody else 'can' contact farmers through them. Its pretty much the same as them blocking us bringing in workers in WA. Its all to protect the live exports and those involved.

Nicky. No I have not heard. Other than the descion was kept from the public. I am guessing but that might mean AA have got up on something. I hear there is an appeal. Emaunel Exports probably have brought on that action. They are being funded through the- You guessed it Farmers Federation groups.

Now perhaps Rojo and Yabby you might understand what I am saying about these groups you THINK work for the farmers best interests.

Clearly its in the farmers best interests to meet the people in ME buying his meat direct. Just as clearly the farmers federations are protecting the middle man and live exporter.

Now I intend to lobby the Government to have contact with farmers. In times like this we could be the answer to their prayers.

Nicky Yabbys not that bad. He wrote to the WA papers and Government to open more plants ages ago. That more than some did. He 'loves' to torment you that all. Hes a bloke they are always annoying.

Also Nicky he doesnt know about the FF etc. When Nigel and Camerron Travel they really turn it on and make it look best as possible.

Nicky we really need to be friend some farmers. and others.
People read these posts years later and we dont want to look over the top for the animals sake. See>

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&cr=countryAU&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=+wa+appeal+live+exports+emanuel+exports+&spell=1

The only other thing I have to share with you ladies is that I may be leaving soon.

I will let you know when I do.
Goodnight

"I'm sure Yabby would agree that such behaviour towards animals is quite acceptable and commonplace though - he probably does all that and more."

Nicky, the point you miss, as you clearly know noooothing about
sheep, is that Nigel is actually correct. Yup, sheep are tied
by their legs in both Australia and Europe and carted around.
Its common practise all over Australia.

There are good reasons for that. Sheep are herd animals and
feel safe in numbers. When on their own, they often panic
and do themselves a major injury. They are not like your
poochy poo! You really need to work on a farm sometime,
to actually be a bit better informed.

yabbyrojo
Nickys done nothing other than show some common deceny just like the rest of Australian people who our OUTRAGED by the cruel live export trade.
Your the one who knows "nothing about the industry." Your posts across the broad are nothing more than copies of the proper ganda you have picked up off the web pages by those with vetted interests.

You attack myself personally all the time with our Halal kind Meats progects. You actually "forget" what you read [or think others will] and repeat what I have told you months later. What is your `real` problem Yabby. You attack me saying I know nothing about the meat Industry. Granted I know not as much as some but have lawyers who ran plants with their family for years and x federal leaders of AMIEU Not to mention with AFIC. You have seen all that on our web pages. Now you have the cheek on the other thread to bag AFIC complaining their link is a dud. I would be careful of what I said if I were you. Try again

http://www.afic.com.au/

Your clearly bored sitting there on your own because nobody can put up with you.
And whats this crap on the other page about the pictures not being Australian Animals? Even the Government have acknowledged there are.
Lyn white and Animals Australia and Animal Liberation have all done a wonderful job and PETA too. No we dont always agree on the best solutions yabby but there is one thing we "ALL" agree on and thats this evil vile trade must and will stop.
Australian farmers have a wonderful oportunity BUT THEY must also get off their bums and take control. They are reasonsibly for their animals.
YOU said what stopping a group of farmers doing some abattoirs by forming some co ops- and thats! about the only sensible comment you have made so far on OLO.
Why dont YOU go ask them huh.
Live Exports is a gross injustice carried out under a cloud of mockery by a a small evil group of people through trade deals.

Wendy, I think you are confusing Rojo and myself. He clearly seems
like one of the few on the animal libber threads, capable of
reason and not just overwhelmed with emotions, so I appreciate
his input, but he will have his points, I will have mine.

What I am doing on OLO on the animal libber threads is quite simple.
I've seldom seen a bunch of threads with so much misinformation!
People relying on eons old video clips, distorted information,etc.
Now we are told by you, what a wonderful job Animal liberation
and Peta are doing. You might live on the Gold Coast, but I live
in the middle of a farming community and frankly if you expressed
those kinds of opinions here, they might well run you out of town:)

I do understand the psychology behind it. I've seen city women
move to the country, marry a farmer and want to bemother every
new born motherless lamb that comes along. But farm livestock
are not pets, neither are they children. Eventually she has to
accept that she can't bemother them all, reality prevails and
she accepts that some will have to be donged on the head. Usually
thats accepted, as long as she doesent see it :)

You should read Goleman's "Emotional Intelligence" The stronger
an emotion, the less we reason. Thats exactly what I see on these
threads, alot of women confusing bemothering pets with farm livestock.
These threads are about black and white, exactly as Goleman stated!

So I am here to add a little bit of reason to this debate, so that
the misinformation going out to the public is not total. Fact is
that thousands of WA farmers support the live trade, as it feeds
their families.

Who is this "all" that you refer to? So far on these threads,
nearly all veggies or closet veggies. Many of them seem to hate
livestock farmers for doing what they do. So we will never have
a solution.

So I will continue to add some balance to this misinformation
campaign on OLO