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Judge Hands Down Findings on EMANEL EXPORTS WA for Major Animal Cruelty
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Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Thursday, 10 May 2007 4:51:05 PM
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Oooh, internet law, I love internet law. Is George a bone fide internet lawyer? If it goes to internet court, can we be on the internet jury? Internet lawsuits are fun!
Posted by Bugsy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 5:06:06 PM
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LOL Bugsy :) For those interested, MLA, with support from farmer
organisations, has answered some of the allegations about the live trade. Anyone is free to check the info. http://www.liveexportcare.com/get_facts/myth_busting.html When the farmers fighting fund was set up, one purpose was to defend farmers, who go about their lawfull business in earning their living. Thats why those funds were used in the Emmanuel case. Farmers understand the importance of the live trade to WA farming families. Anyone is free to buy those livestock and do something else with them, if they please or have an alternate option! Posted by Yabby, Thursday, 10 May 2007 6:03:19 PM
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Yabby.
Do you know anybody in MLA. We have been speaking with the heads of MLA over a long period. . Have 'you' a personal call from the fellow in charge of MLA in ME? Does he ever email you? We are not saying MLA are corrupt. We are saying the Government favoured live exports because of powerful poeple like Kerry Packer and Murdocks involements over many years. [ Just to mention a few] Mind you back then labours unions certainly put Australia in a spot. If it had been ANYTHING other than ALIVE Animals I would have said Good On them. Now AMIEU are crying because all the plants have closed and they lost all the members and their fees. Still WA have been stopped from employing skilled labour for Abattoirs. Why is the WA AMIEU so quiet about that? I draw your attention for the THIRD TIME in Answer to your question- What about the 40g given to the off shore company over the Aussie who only asked for five hundred thousand. I must insist you answer. Come on Yabby Answer the question? What was the name of THAT plant? Whats the name of the company that was given the 40 G. Yes Yabby we all know MLA have funding and we all know they have strick guidelines to follow. Do the fund for live exports- yes - red meat - yes. Can they promote a co joint venture of share farms for eg to introduce ME people to farmers at grass roots levels. Most certainly not. Why? Because they Government would have to approve that through Austrade Why wont the Government approve that. To be fair to Peter McGuaran he has expressed interest and is waiting for some docs. John Howard also has said it certainly sounds as if it deserves a look. Even Mark Vaile has made similar noises. Thats 'far' more than your Mr Rudd said. Please answer our question. Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Thursday, 10 May 2007 7:57:24 PM
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Wendy, the Govt does not favour live exports. They simply
understand that there a huge market there, which matters critically to farmers. Ignore consumers at your peril, that is what business is all about these days. The Hajj lambs for instance, go for the Hajj pilgrimage. Go and tell Saudi Arabia, the home of Islam, that they don't need Hajj lambs for their religious festival. They will soon tell you where to go! Mind you, I see that they bought a heap of lambs from China last year, although they had problems with them, just not up to Aussie quality. AFAIK we supply about a third of Hajj lambs. The rest come from all over Africa, Europe, and now China has entered the market. They have more sheep in China then we do in Aus. Regards how much the Govt gave to whom for meatworks, I haven't read the documents or reasoning, so won't comment on specific grants, except to say this: Giving grants to build piddley small meatworks is a total waste of time, as the Govt would realise that the future of the meat industry is about highly labour efficient plants, where economies of scale are critical, to achieve lower per unit costs. I'll give you an example. If automated packaging machinery is installed at a fixed cost, it will operate wether you put through 200'000 sheep or a million. Your cost per unit, will thus be dramatically lower. Thats why the future of small mum and dad plants is doomed, thats today's reality. The board of MLA, elected by farmer members who pay levies, have a duty to spend their money wisely. They are accountable to farmers and the Govt. If you are a real farmer, who grows cattle or sheep, you get to vote. Perhaps the board in their wisdom, decided that your project is not viable or credible, that would be their decision. If you are a farmer levy payer and disagree with them, you are free to go the AGM and express your views. Posted by Yabby, Thursday, 10 May 2007 9:08:35 PM
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Yabby
Antje Here We are not interested in your endless copies of propa ganda written on the the web pages of people with interests in live exports. Nor have we unlike some said ban live exports over night. We intend to continue to work hard to faze it out as soon as possible. This will be a win for Australia especialy in regional areas. What we have said is this. That it is a myth to say Muslims require animals alive and their is no reason animals can not be slaughtered here in Australia. This has been supported by the Muslim people as well. We have said as also it is untrue there is no power and an insult. We have also said there are other lerks and perks and the real reason for live exports is it supports those involved in the industry by trade deals that goes over the heads of farmers. That said and said many times we move on. We continue to work hard to bring about a higher trade of chilled meats. It is this in fact that seperates us from the other animal welfare groups who have written claiming they would not support anything to do with building abattoirs. The difference is we support the RSPCA policy who state so long as it is done properly people should be allowed to eat meat. Yabby I would like to say to you from me that I was present the evening you contacted this ofice. You were told it was not a good time and you did laugh by what my you were told. Neither Wendy nor myself appreciate your attempt to cause further personal stress in regards to this matter. Do not make futher comments regading Wendys family. As I informed you a year ago or more I moved to QLD to help run this office. Take it from me the farmers the public the Government all have a reasonsibilty to slaughter in Australia. Not all farmers are broke so why have they not opended abattoirs themselves. Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:08:42 PM
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Do not make personal attacks. You have no way of knowing what we do and dont know. Are you saying pale has posted misinformation on this public forum?
make my Day,