Antje, I remind you that the recent case against Peta has shown that
animal libber groups can basically claim whatever they like, with relative impunity.
They mostly don't have any assets, so there is not
much point in taking them to court. They are answerable to nobody
except their donors, whose emotional buttons they push.

Unlike say MLA, who are answerable to Government and to tens of
thousands of farmers, also to the public. If you think that the
information provided by MLA is "propaganda", so prove it. MLA
are accountable, unlike the libber groups.

What it comes down to is mostly an argument between veggies,
closet veggies, versus vets, farmers and other qualified people.
I'll back the qualified people any day!

The Hajj is THE major Muslim, religious festival. Millions of
pilgrims go to Mecca. Millions of sheep, cattle, goats, camels
are slaughtered in specially built abattoirs, as part of that
pilgrimage. You seem to be claiming that the Saudis, the home of
Islam after all, don't know what they are talking about. Perhaps
you should rethink your position :)

Regarding defending Wendy's claims, I remind you that you two are
thick as thieves, best friends, workmates, housemates etc. Of course
you are going to back her up, we went through this little joke
on OLO, when legal claims against a poster called PF were being
discussed by you guys.

Antje, I suggest that you have a look at the emails sent to me
by Wendy, around the 21-22-8-06. They verfiy my claims. Wendy
was in court all day, so was a bit worn out. No mention of any
deaths. Phone records show that the conversation, at Wendy's request,
lasted just over 60 minutes, against her claimed 3 minutes.
For me it was a business call. I don't care who invests in WA
processing, I will support them all. Thats why I bothered to
respond to her request.

Given that you guys keep burning your bridges when people agree to
disagree with you, no wonder your group don't have much support.
Stop blaming the world, the problem is yours.

Yabby

The last I heard PETA were on about 40 Million per year but dont quote me because it may be more now. Apart from that PETA Won so I dont see your point. Unless you are talking about a different case. We have no contact with PETA. WE are not a veggie group either. We work in conjunction with RSPCA QLD who are not a veggie group
You have already told us you have written off letters and made noises about opening abattoirs in WA .
My question to you is Mr Yabby why dont you do it.?
Dont worry about us and what we are doing just go ahead and do it without us.
Yes Mr Yabby I am a working at the office but I am living there. Not thats its your business. I was there when you called.
You recall we had just come in from court. Now try to cast your mind back what the case was about. Then what you said and how you laughed. I heard you!!
Well you may not have INTENDED to upset anybody but you did. Do not continue you raise private and personal issues especially when it can only result in upset. If you raise this "once more" I will contact OLO .

MLA is free to join. I am also a member. The structure working under several Governments has been set up to favour certain people. You were given a example. 40k to the Japanese opposed to the Aussie who only asked for $500.00 thousand. I dont know ONE Vet who supports Live exports nor does RSPCA.
Also pale is working with RSPCA QLD and other high profile organisations. Thats hardly unsupported
Antje

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/stories/s1102655.htm

Vets voted overwhelmingly to support live exports at the AVA. 90% in fact.

Wrong Rojo Most Vets DONT support live exports.

RSPCA Presdient has said AVA are just looking after their jobs. He is one Vet who doesnt agree!

THE AVA reminds me of that song Run Rabbit.

We not so long ago had a meeting with the Federal AG Ministers advisor on the Gold Coast.
I personally invited AVA to attend that meeting and spoke to the AVA head in Brisbane. It was agreed as he was the close he would attend. No show no call.
So you are they are not real big on manners either Rojo. After that I spoke to the head lady to enquire why AVA had not raised concerns at the board meetings when 60 minutes did their report.
It was explained to me because they had a```` system```````` of raising these things.

So here is what I was told by AVA.
To raise anything two Vets must put in a formal application to do so.

Few members are even aware of this procedure. Which
Reminds me we must send our letters out to all AVA Vet Members to inform them of this. To put in an application to have the matter raised is very complicated and time consuming. Its certainly not encouraged that’s for sure. Does anybody remember that poor bloke who had his pass port taken off him in the ME because he dared to say something?

I don’t like bullies Rojo. And I have met them all.
Each and every one of those fools. So you could say we are fool proof.
The ONLY reason we have not got around to the AVA has been a time issue- Nothing less.
The head lady did express concern over the phone when speaking with me Rojo. She said she had heard that some of those AA people had said they were going to protest out side their office.
I told her she had heard wrong.
That was me. To which she replied- Well we will just take the day off then- AVA have betrayed the animals they swore their allegiance to.

Run Rabbits indeed!

paleif, either the AVA voted or they didn't. The news link says they did. I did say 90% in favour so there may in fact be more than "one" dissenter. Thats fine it is a free country. One of you as paleif said
" I dont know ONE Vet who supports Live exports" when it seems you only know one vet who doesn't. And he happens to head RSPCA.
The picture you paint is unsupported.

"Message from George The lawyer abattoir owner you see on the web page.
Do not make personal attacks. You have no way of knowing what we do and dont know. Are you saying pale has posted misinformation on this public forum?
make my Day, "

I have just read this - how appalling and embarrassing!

Pale - you sound like a bully in a school playground. How can behaviour like this help your credibilty at all?

As for George - if he did tell you to send a message thru OLO, which I seriously doubt - what sort of lawyer is he? Never mind .... I just answered that one for myself.