Lets not forget julia also said all promises are off, as a result of a hung parliament. Tony has said he will unroll the pollution tax, not even knowing what it consists of. That is a statement, a good chance to please the neighborhood and seal the next election.
Belly the union thuggery i am referring to was the BLF boss in victoria that was jailed twice for his actions. His idea was to send all builders broke.

579 this some thing I know about and understand.
The thread and others saw real insults to Howes and Shorten, both may yet lead this country.
As a single member of my union on a building site and as an official I never backed down, left my blood on the ground and theirs rather than have left wing thugs, mugs, and criminals stand over me.
FACT, no price has yet been put on carbon, we are at stage one, talking about what we will do.
Flo you will make no ground with the gentleman.

Belly:

Shadow Minister is making such a big deal about Gillard's supposed
"back flip," which is the current Liberal strategy at the moment.
But my oh my what short memories they all have. Here's a list of 35 lies told by John Howard and co, just to jog some memories:

http://www.awu.net.au/109589607626152_5.html?H%7C19%7C1095896076261...

Belly, would you expect anything different from SM. I must admit, he is consistent.

"Flo you will make no ground with the gentleman."

Belly I do not expect to. Maybe I will with some others. People like SM are handy to use as a hook to hang an argument on. They keep coming back, which means you can repeat your opinion in an many different contexts.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but that does not mean you have to agree with them.

I agree with you, I have had a lot to do with unions, some from the far left over the years. I have found many of them perfect gentlemen with goods hearts.

"the lowest income voters are Labor voters who will feel the pain the most. Juliar has effectively sacrificed her voters for Bob Brown."

Just the same as Mr. Howard effectively sacrificed his voters for Meg Lees, getting through most of his legislation, including the GST.

SM do you think it is fair or adult for your leader to make snide remarks about PM Gillard not seeing inside a church or offering to make her an honest woman.

Surely you will agree, that this type of low quality argument is generally only found among immature adolescents in the school playground.

If you do not agree with me, can you tell me what it is adding to the debate, especially when the PM is able and willing to return with gusto whatever is lobbed to her.