It is true Gillard said no carbon tax.
Also true she changed her mind ,had to after a hung Parliament.
It may well be true also had Abbott got the numbers he too may have bought in such a tax.
Such is the state of Australian politics.
But I see something else here, Gillard along with Rudd shamed the ALP with a gutless back down,I do not think she was ever commited to carbon tax, any tax.
She is fighting for her survival, for my party sake she must go.
This year she says is a year of actions not words Bill Shorten now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party please.
We always should have supported the tax.

I put this thread forward despite my view may be OLO should take a break from politics.
My future threads will not be, for a while, about the subject.
I vote Labor always[ execpt NSW next month]
That is because after thinking it out they best serve my interests.
If as some think, politics is black and white,my view is it is like one of my Mini Foxys, half black half white very noisy at times.
Julia Gillard will not lead us for long, she never should have.
Labor voters must surely still be as I am in shock.
Just how did Kevin 07 turn in to election 2010?
What happened to climate change, why cash for old wrecks,how did we get to sending $900 checks to dead people or people who had not lived here for years.
Gillard CAN NOT CLAIM TO BE A BY STANDER she had her chance,would any of us, with her position stand idly by and say nothing.
Her action speak for her, she clings still to policy's that bought Rudd down, rather he return than Julia remain.
This morning another good man,not Shorten is named as leader, maybe but new leader we will get.
This last is to remind those who will jump in and use this to pillory the ALP and me,
Abbott and Pyne 4 or 5 others are far worse in my view.
And removal of Abbott would destroy my party's chance of re election no matter who leads it.
Those who see no good in one and no bad in their side are blind and uninformed.

Juliar never saw a tax she didn't love.

The simple way to get it through is to use it to replace other taxes such as GST or land tax. In this way the public would see that they are paying a different tax rather than more tax. Subsidising those effected by the tax is simply undermining its effect.

With the cost of energy increasing people are noticing, and the blame is being placed squarely on Labor's shoulders rightly or not. Keneally recognised this and tried to head it off, Juliar is simply painting a huge target on her back, and I see TA and others sharpening the arrows and thanking their lucky stars that she could be so naive.

P.S.

A recent survey indicated that the greens voters are on average the wealthiest. They are keen to support a carbon tax, as for them the effect will be insignificant.

The lowest income voters are Labor voters who will feel the pain the most. Juliar has effectively sacrificed her voters for Bob Brown.

if i had the energy

i would explain how penny wrong
[one of the back door[room] boys club
explained how julia said they loved the idea of a tax..pre election

she [penny is a bald face lier

[this is more faceless men stuff]
you know the backroom money men

with no face thus no honour

it will never be a face-off
both parties..[heck the greenies too]..
are run from/via the backdoor..as they say

follow who gets the money
thats the whole of the game
just watch who gets the cash

john howards backroom guys said
give the gst to the states

then took the fed money
...fed-govt used to give ..to the states

heck whats the use
its easier to swallow their lies
than explain ..how they do ...what they ALL do

its all about taxation..WITHOUT representation
recall when usa went to war..on just a tax on tea
or india with just a tax on salt

govt got no right to any of it
but neither big business ..needing a just a little bit more

from the govt cash cow

why bother
they love paying guilt taxes belly
its not julia..thats the problem..

its them faceless men..
and their greedy ..money grubbing boys club mates
knowing greenhouse gasses is multiple
and carbon is only one

tax all greenhouse gasses
not just one

you will hear all the tax goes to bailout's
just watch who gets how much

one thousand will get 70 percent..[big buisines]
one million may get 20%

the 10%..rest will be admin fees
and hopefully auditing

they will speak of generalities
that allow all ..to think its them what will be bailed out
it wont be

tax all greenhouse gasses
especially the methane from minning
and coal gassification and home composting

methane is 100 times worse than carbon
but the stuff that cleans solar cells is even worse

and its time
ALL greenhouse gasses got taxed
not just the ones that get a big new tax from the people

put tax on exports
put tax on miners
tax those generating ...all* the green-house/gasses
not just carbon..[and tobacco]

REMEMBER carbonated soft drink
is made from co2...

[ban softdrink
put a tax on softdrink]
its junk

ps noted the
'your grenhouse gas emmisions'
..on your electicity bill?
its been on ya bills for a long time
thats a guilt facter...[you didnt complain then]

so you cant* complain *when its cost
becomes monetised later...lol

you didnt complain
when it matterd

stop electing lawyers into govt
they are far too clever..by far