Well thread has ran its race, we are no no closer to knowing, or is it admitting? if Julia knowingly lied.
She however as most know, is not my idea of a leader.
Sorry but in my view she never lied.
She never however should be in this Parliament without a mop and bucket in her hand.
She should have taken Tony Abbott on backed down from her anti ETS stance under Rudd.
Went for an ETS.
I know understand, both party's grovelled to get power.
OH yes Abbott too,but a stance against the greens must take place, Gillard will try just this,but she would skinny dip in the Bondi sewage outlet to win, to keep the inevitable knife still wet with Rudd's blood landing in her back, it will come however.
We live maybe in interesting times,but we also live in times that see us drift away from the Westminster system of accountability.
Politicians, all of them, should get out in to the shopping centers, pubs, sporting events, not announce who they are and hear and see the seeds they have sown.
Most Australians [ wrongly in my view] think they all are lier's, do not care about anything but point scoring and have no intent commit to running this country not winning rather child like confrontational battles.

ju-liar said i have no problem calling it a tax
so a tax it is...

[and nothing the queen of jack s
says can change that the juliar joker says]

she [the joke er] also said on qanda
if your road home gets 'blocked'
you find another way home..

clearly when she was blocked by m/rabbit
she saw the road was blocked

and saw ...a way 'home'
by stating trickey words
[there WILL be no carbon tax in any govt i lead}

KNOWING AL THE TIME
[by virtue of poll numbers ..indicating a hung govt
{{there has to be a better word]]

she saw a way home
KNOWING she could quickly get the lie over
and install ..NOT ONLY A NEW BIG TAX
but also carbon traitering

wow talk about a back flipper
from the red head in the usa warmonger bed
usa's friend down under..[under all the spin and lies]

i wouldnt accept your vote
even if i was calling for votes bellies
you run hot and cold..have you been checked for bi-polar old boy?

you love to call it quits
we do know juliar lied

i agree with the moppet
with a buckett simiulie

and the not so skinny
dip in a sewrage-outfall
in bondi
..line

as well

SHE DID TRY to fight the abbot spin
but couldnt ..so said the fatal words in the end
[of the election no less]..

and seems she will get her cake[carbon tax]
and trading carbon credits as well...

liars shouldnt be so well rewarded

[you should own a pub..
you call time.. so often]

ALL in
poli-tic's

LIE

Redistribution of income is what governments are about. Nothing new.

The Opposition and their ilk move it from the lower income earners to bosses and the wealthy. Labor comes in and moves it back again. I do not believe that is what are price on carbon is about.

I cannot see any government wanting to get their hands dirty unless there is a genuine belief that not to do so, would not be responsible.

Labor could have walked away from dealing with climate change but they decided not to. Life would be easier for PM Gillard if she took the easy path and catered to those who believe in climate change with a few well thought out sweeteners, such as solar on the roofs, etc.

Labor is the most effective money reducing agent known to man.

They increase taxes, borrow money, rack up debt and leave very little to show for it. The liberals have to come in and clean up the mess with unpopular spending cuts.

day Flo, of those three posts I understand yours the most.
But disagree with your every word.
Gillard,once a very leftist Lawyer and factional member.
Is not acting on carbon for cash, or redistribution.
She holds none of the old Labor thoughts and ideas,some are better buried in any case.
You do not like my opinion she is gone, yet she is.
Look deeply, see what Gillard should be telling every one, know it is true.
But understand she did not have the guts to say it.
Abbott did know, before the election, it was ALP policy to bring in an ETS.
Not tax ETS Abbott ran a big new tax fear campaign election.
Gillard,loaded down with Rudd's leaks, try ed to win votes by saying she would never bring in a tax on carbon.
She meant it, never wanted one, never intended to have one.
Then came the 17 days after the hung Parliament.
The wheeling and dealing, the need for a single green in the lower house to be part of her government.
During that time independents too had wishes, one of those for two of them was a closer look at carbon.
No lie, she governed or went back to an election she would not win.
Govern or guts?
Continued.

I will be in trouble here, so be it.
I am far closer to SOME in the greens than any conservative.
But in truth Labor just must fight them on almost every issue.
Without the GREENS we would have a carbon price,the best one an ETS now.
Know, no doubt exists, 15% is their current vote but it may well be at its peak now, and we must not let our governments bend to them, it is a death sentence for the ALP.
No offense taken SM no agreement either.
Look Flo for Gillard to take on the greens she will ,but too late.
Without the ALP and an intransigent Abbott the greens would have no power nore should they.
We can if we want deal with issues without being black mailed and if controlling the radicalism of the greens is not number one on our must do list I know nothing.
Who remembers the greens stopped an ETS!