Poirot,

Leave Belly, he needs to go off for a sulk every now and again.

When Labor was ascendant he just loved to stick it to everyone, but now that his beloved ALP is in the toilet federally and in just about every state he has no where to go.

AS far as the "other countries" that are introducing limited ETSs, there is a particular hypocrisy about this. In Europe, the ETS is limited mostly to generation, and compensated by the huge import of nuclear generated power. The same goes for the states in the US.

Australia has no viable alternatives, there is no nuclear, and a carbon tax will either simply increase prices or force business off shore.

Gday all, had no intention of ever coming back a man who constantly uses confrontation and insults bought me back.
Two posts from you here SHADOW MINISTER are in my view provocative, needlessly so.
I rest on my record here, condemning my party federally and state.
You have just your rudeness to rest on, as in Flo's post you selectively quote half a statement.
Here are my views here in OLO if you like me think climate change is taking place, if you too think the fact we have trebled the worlds population in just two century's, it having taken millions to get to the first 2 billion.
If you see we will again double it in 50 years you can see why some think humanity is the reason for climate change.
And know also, some who decry our right to think in our own way have no knowledge or understanding at all.
I left because I fear my self, I regard honor above all else, I find it hard to not tell you shadow minister how I think of you.
I will reduce my posts, try to stay away from conflicts but not ever back down to bullying.
I truly, honestly, believe, my Federal team is in office ONLY because Abbott is worse.
Labor must lift its game Gillard needs to be reminded those yanks are not on our electoral roll, none can vote for her, we rebuild only after her.

Hiya Belly,

I have to agree with you that Gillard's lot is only there because Abbott is second rate - the Howard era's fault for not paying more attention to succession (other than Costello).

Anyway, this is the most uninspiring bunch of pollies I've seen for a while - wonder when things will improve.

Those who like me think Labor best serves their interests should look closer at my criticisms of my party.
I and Australia got a stunning smack in the face at Rudd's replacement.
We never knew just how bad things got within our party.
Look at the facts.
The impending decimation of NSW ALP will be a positive.
Once the trash can is emptied, and it will be, a big anchor to Labor gos too.
I am aware some are baffled by my dislike of Gillard.
It has always been there.
I said she, from the left, would never lead our party.
I said on her first night in power here in OLO I would never trust her.
But I also said she would govern well, she has not, and can not.
My fellow travelers in the anti tea party side of politics should re think.
Blind loyalty is pure stupidity,excepting poor performance because it comes from your team is crippling my country.
After Gillard, IF we put value on good policy's and accountability, Labor will prosper.
IF we become bogged down in first lady Prime Minister lets be happy but blind we give government away,, for at least a decade
I see, maybe I am wrong,a refusal to even consider the in my view fact, both sides need to get out of the slander and bun fight way of conducting business and think first of our country.

I would like to say to some fine women posters here this.
Be assured Gillard did play a roll in Rudd's frozen inability to get things done.
Conservative charges that she told Rudd not to go with an ETS are in all probability true.
She did stand, Australian Labor Party deputy Prime Minister! against pension increases.
She has become what she challenged Rudd for, trying to control open policy debate in government.
She is not a film star, we should not judge her on her off shore love in it is her task to be governing us,I felt no different than when Howard crawled his way up the steps of congress in the USA.
Repelled!
Let each of us ask this, can we debate any subject, climate change poltics health any thing, AND UNDERSTAND all views have value, that it is a right to say what you think?
Watch closely, do please,threads on such subjects, some think only they have such rights.
I think talking climate change here is a wasted effort, while I have no doubt as Abbott too does we are bringing it about , some who base thoughts and opinions on politics not science will only insult those who think differently.
The ALP will not forever have Abbott to rely on, we must return to standing on our own feet and policy's, if we can not do that? we should not be in government.
But rest easy,Gillard and Abbott are not hanging around much longer, my country will be better for it.

oh belly i will miss your innocence
[ok passion]

juliar got in by clever lawyer moves
[mate both parties are run by lawyers]
recall when that clever lawyer move
got rid of gough..[cough cough]

the thing is julia has her orders
bring in the new carbon traitering tax
then limp off the batle field

then combe will get his orders
then the next then the next
[thery run both parties old mate]
they run al the systems

heck look at gadafee
or that north korean dictraiter
recall pol pot..the saudie princes
mate the rot began at the head long ago

recall ceaser..he was killed by the bankers
[they didnt like him issuing his own debt free money]
the same reason john kennedy got his..

[he was silly enough to sign pres order 11,110]..
so the cia..[who run the drug scam]..got the marfia to do the job

only the good guys..get killed mate
[ever noticed that?]

think if gouigh had been allowed to finnish what he began
he was sacked because he too wanted funds..not obligated to repay at intrest..to the bankers..[the faceless money men]

i have tried to keep it simple
but who ever leads us
is disposable

what howard began
rudd tried to continue
then juliar picked it up

if juliar dont scucced..then phony tony gets the chop
and turncoat turnbull finnishes the job

the current job is to trade carbon credits
like a commodity..to tax the people direct
at the going market rate..

[set at whatever the market will pay]
the bankers tax us direct

its time we took back the mint
let govt print [coin] its own legal tender...AGAIN

and stopped begging bankers for money
and paying market intrest rates to bankers
for govt spending ..its OWN money