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Behind Gillards back flip

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Well it looks as though Tony Abbott is more believable:

From the SMH today:

"Carbon tax is poll poison for NSW

-Only 18 per cent of NSW voters support tax
-Poll shows Coalition plan to use it as weapon
-Some Labor MPs also against carbon tax

VOTERS have rejected Julia Gillard's carbon tax, Coalition polling across NSW state seats found, with almost two thirds of people against it.

In a sign of the battle ahead for Julia Gillard in selling the new tax to voters, only 18 per cent of NSW voters said they were in favour of a tax. About the same number said they had not yet made up their mind.

But 62 per cent said they were firmly against it."

However Juliar would like to spin it, apparently no one is listening to her any more.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 9:30:11 PM
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Shadow Minister,

Must say that it's highly entertaining watching you and rehctub going through the motions...(I think it's possible that the two of you might actually have the impetus to bring the government down)....just watch you don't blow a gasket in the process.

Things do seem to be getting rather nasty in the federal arena at the moment.
Here's Barrie Cassidy's take on things:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/02/3153373.htm
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 9:49:16 PM
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Unfortunately there is no stop sign in sight.
Very real numbers of voters do get their views after listening to shock jocks and shocking politics.
But Abbott did slip in the last polls, he should plummet in the next.
But my not,this cry about everything stuff help Labors efforts to remove its self in 1975.
But if that happens we are still in for a rough ride,no way we can avoid dog whistle politics in return.
Well just maybe.
This issue, if we are mature enough, can see new leader ship on both sides.
What a breath of fresh clean air!
Watch this space.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 3 March 2011 3:24:16 AM
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as one who has never seen a govt[in power]that he likes
i feel heartend to see belly has returned to his full vigor
[flo and joame are to credit for this]

it was sad to see the black swan claiming 7000 'green jobs'
in the lower house yesterday..[see this 7000 low skil jobs is based on a carbon price of 46 a ton

as the two party tony is making his case
on a much lower number...

..it should be an interesting name calling question time today

we are being scammed of course
only those with party blindness could fail to see this

carbon is only one greenhouse 'gas'
there are many [far worse]

but as these are produced
by farmers and miners
well

they MUST be protected
better to tax
those sustaining these leeches
with yet another tax [thats not a tax]lol

dont you lot notice
the talk is about greenhouse GASSES
methane and laughing gas to name just two
really bad ones

but the tax only on one..
go figure eh

oh recall spain went huge on green jobs
now they are broke..[and the jobs NOW ITS BUILT..
or rather..now the free govt cash..are gone so too the jobs

BUT THE DEBT REMAINS

and the solar cells costing us the earth
dont work at night thus are only a duplicated system

[sending consumers broke subsidising the non market price..
the solar scammers sell the tiny bit of DAY time power ..they do produce ..for.]

its worth noting this article
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361316/250bn-wind-power-industry-greatest-scam-age.html

three great lies.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 3 March 2011 7:12:37 AM
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but heck
you dont read links

so here
REBUT this

The megawatts supplied by our 3,500 turbines is derisory:
no more than the output of a single, medium-sized conventional power station the turbines are ludicrously inefficient.

The most glaring dishonesty peddled by the wind industry — and echoed by gullible politicians — is vastly to exaggerate the output of turbines by deliberately talking about them only in terms of their 'capacity', as if this was what they actually produce.

*Rather, it is the total amount of power
they have the capability of producing.
under the variable wind conditions
no wind..and

*ya need buy ya power from france

wind,is that it is constantly varying in speed, so that the output of turbines averages out at barely a quarter of their capacity.

Furthermore, as they increase in number (the Government wants to see 10,000 more in the next few years) it will, quite farcically, become necessary*

*to build a dozen or more gas-fired power stations,
running all the time and emitting CO2,

simply to provide instant back-up
for when the wind drops.

[or night falls]
and thats why they need YOUR tax
[and to prop up the carbon specualers market]

where they will speculate the price of carbon..UP

[putting on so much presure..
they hope to turn carbon into diamonds]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361316/250bn-wind-power-industry-greatest-scam-age.html#ixzz1FTjCYBTZ

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY!
"... the media serve the interests of state and corporate power, which are closely interlinked, framing their reporting and analysis in a manner supportive of established privilege and limiting debate and discussion accordingly."-- Noam Chomsky

much like govt
two parties
both serving the self/same self intrest
wall street..money men/farmers/loggers/fishers/miners

via the two party plutocracy
via demonocracy..the two party system

selling the peoples assets
while giving away their compulsory taxes
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 3 March 2011 7:17:51 AM
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See the latest headline?

"Brown leads ALP on a merry dance"

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/brown-leads-alp-on-a-merry-dance/story-e6frg6zo-1226014989303

The Greens are heading the agenda, and Labor is taking all the flak.

This is Win Win for Bob Brown and Lose Lose for Juliar.

This internal division is what cost Abbott in the last polls, and now it is Labor's turn.

As far as Barnie Cassidy's and Tony Windsor's concerns, is it the shock Jocks that are whipping up the sentiment or are the shock Jocks responding to the outrage the public is feeling.

The polls I posted earlier show clearly that the outrage is there.

Juliar has a very short window to change public sentiment, or very soon they will stop listening altogether.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 3 March 2011 9:51:18 AM
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