''and all genes....lol
are potentially* [lol].. damaged by smoke?""

make up ya mind..

smoke..
or mutagenes..
or nicoteen
or tar
greenhouse gasses
weopens of mass destruction?
wtf?

please get your spin straight mate

NAME NAMES

which mutagenes
mutate which genes

SPECIFICLLY..you claim the science highground
PRESENT FACTS
not opinion

how/why..
whats the cure

one million..are said to be going to die*
[in only 10 years]..lol
hurry up mate

your a gene queen
just like that lot
selling the global warming tax sceme
or the wepons of mass destruction..
[you are ..pens of mass destraction]

its obscene..

re your particle size
yes i know
so you say that causes..'Parenchymal adenomas
and bronchial epitheliomas"..

so tell me are these cancers
the result of ciggie smoke..
or other non taqxable non banned industrial smokes?

i shouldnt ask dumb questions...
i know they are caused by die-sal..[diesel
and woodsmoke and indistial polution/s and coal smoke.etc

not persons personally
or pasivly smoking mums smoke
but passivly inhaling industrial smokings

..yet these are ATTRIBUTED
to ciggie smoking.

you sell-out ...science people ...are too clever by half
add that ..with add-man spin..and govt lobby
you lot are ..the only real
and present danger

you get what they you lot target
ie govt cash

by any means foul or fair
you lot get..however loose the science fact
or lies/ or loose the truth..you put your spin arround the issue

and no one knows
what is true anymore

OUG,

you seem to be operating under the idea that I am involved in a conspiracy.

I told you, I know these things for a fact of my own experience, and I have used reasonable terminology to state them.

Go read some real literature on the topic.

Your rantings are not useful to my understanding of cancer, you are again trying to play word games about something that occupies people of greater ability for lifetimes.

If you know so much about cancer, go fix it. Chemicals are available to most people and if you know a fraction as much as you claim you can make your own. We used to have to make our own preparations of enzymes, nucleotides, organic substrates and antibiotics, so you are surely up to it. Don't worry too much about the law, I don't think you'll be punished much for revealing a simple cure for cancer.

It seems you only know how to avoid "rules" for the self-serving indulgences of getting cheap smokes and making your comments tiresome to read.

If you want to know anything concrete about cancer, just ask, or drop in to any lab studying such. Any junior student will be able to assist you, I should think.

Rusty

intelectualised name calling
isnt doing it for you catty cathy

re the cure..these i have allready posted earlier in the piece
that you now try to make some point..now
is obviously revealing you cant even read ,
let alone lead in educating us regarding the issue..

we note your quicker reply this time
but note simularilly how little info is presented by your ravings

you have previously made claims to be a teacher of docters
your defence of the sellout nmedical industry comes as no surprise

that big medicin is cleaning up
from this censure of smoking ..is clear

as the list of
subsidised* stop smoking quack fixes
..grows accordingly long...many will in time see its all about getting a govt subsidy for their nicoteen replacement products

as the smokers gradually stop paying tax
and get on the other side..of consuming govt subsidised drugs
the worm turns..and other means of raising the required cash will reap its ugly fruits..

no good can come from lies
and many lies have been created by the big pharma lobby
so called 'big tobacco'..is down to 3

anti smoking groups
seeking their bit of cash
number in the hundreds..if not thousands

thats the real lobby
running govt acts..

acts that will convert their lies into cash
and earn their servants a place in hell..the place most docters and lobbists politions and spin merchants all go to..in time..

they all care about others habbits
curb others habbits

but never
curb their own lusts

anything born of lies ..just cant end well

well now..tomorrow
we name names

lets hear what was spun in govt yesterday
all quotes from
http://www.openaustralia.org/debates/?id=2011-02-28.44.2

first lets attack bellies 15 percent

from Craig Thomson [ALP}
""smoking rates in Australia..down from around 35 per cent
to around 18 per cent ..to 19 per cent today*."?"

willing to admit your wrong bellies?
WAKE up mate..someone is lying to you..!

here is the clever bit media hasnt told us of

""the legislation..
included increasing tobacco excise
by 25 per cent above normal CPI adjustments""

thus every year*
the price goes up 25 percent*
not just once..EVERY YEAR*

when people wakeup to this
who knows what will happen
its just too clever*

who else has ever gotten this treatment

recon they will get angry?
were they told?
fully informed or even consulted?

would you be happy if they did that cleverness
..to unionists?

with work hours?
or beer or grog..
why do you think they wont?

this worked..if it worked once
it will work again..and again and again

now lets hear from the libs[Sharman Stone]

""We have seen a drop in the number of Australians smoking from 30.5 per cent in 1988 to 16.6 per cent in recent times."?'

so just in two speakers we got 18 percent and 16.6 percent
depends on which lobby spun the numbers eh?

NOTE*.. NEITHER SAID 15%

""15,000 Australians still die from smoking related*.. diseases""
smokeing related..
if based on science fact
there should not be these loose buzzwords*

but here is more

""on the other hand we ignore the harmful effects of alcohol and the advertising of alcoholic products.""

""we ignore another product, which causes serious health effects. Alcohol causes serious problems for family members in terms of alcohol fuelled violence. It causes serious problems with accidents, lack of productivity and non-genetic birth defects in children. In fact, foetal alcohol syndrome is a serious problem amongst Australian children, particularly in some Indigenous communities. That condition is a consequence of the mother consuming alcohol during the early stages of her pregnancy.

The sad thing about the permanent intellectual and physical disabilities that are manifest in foetal alcohol syndrome in the newborn is that this condition is totally preventable.

If the mother had not consumed alcohol during her pregnancy the baby would not have been born with permanent, irreversible intellectual and physical handicap.

Surely a country like ours must bite the bullet.""

ha ha booze gets it next
suck it up while you can mate

next alp Michelle Rowland

"" Western Sydney, where most of my electorate lies, experiences some the highest rates of avoidable deaths from causes amenable to health care.

This research shows 77.4 per cent of males under the age of 75 will die of avoidable deaths.""

this means all of them
not just smoking attributable*

""A study undertaken by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare in 2007 compared lung cancer* mortality rates..""

note the quick change from a general population statistic
to a specific one[to wi SPIN]...

""This study found that people in Western Sydney experienced the highest lung*cancer mortality rate..""

ie inner city polution..!
pwetrolium product particulate

""when compared to the aforementioned regions, and this is why I have a special responsibility to my electorate to support this bill""

clearly ..she dont know of the other
TWO highest*causes of lung-cancer...

[wood-smoke and diesal particulate..[soot]

next
alp ...Kirsten Livermore

""2.9 million Australians smoke each day""

and we hate them
cause they dont elect us

we control them..we tell them ..what to do
because they are only ignorant smokers

and we are clever lawyers
slaves to spin merchants and drug merchandisers wanting ..a govt cash cow..who will soon be looking for their next project..

""we also added nicotine patches
to the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme*""

""recommended by the National Preventive Health Taskforce""

should check out the board members shares ownership,
or who they really work for..

alp Geoff Lyons
former administrator
at the Launceston General Hospital,lol

""in my home state of Tasmania
there is evidence that smoking rates have increased* despite decreases in national trends""

""50 per cent of the Tasmanian Aboriginal
adult population ..were found to be current smokers""

yep tax the poor

and you thought
they were allready 'extinct'

""The move was not without community debate..""
yeah right..i wasnt asked to debait

""smoking rates cut from 30.5 per cent in 1988
to 16.6 per cent in 2007""

numbers seem all over the place

""as the minister said in her second reading speech,
from 30.5 per cent in 1988 to 16.6 per cent in 2007.

But we do know—..
We are talking about 16.6 per cent of Australian's""

"" We know as federal members
when we go to a railway station to hand out
our pamphlets—some would call it propaganda""lol

""The Cancer Council of Queensland has advocated strongly""

""Each year nearly 21,000 Queenslanders are diagnosed with cancer
and over 7,000 Queenslanders die of the disease.""

ok ..so ban it in qld
THEY HAVE HALF THE NUMBERS..!
in one state alone...lol..blame it on labrat spin..[anna blight]

why dont the number add up?