""there are nearly three million Australians smoking.""..

then in the next breath..""10 per cent;
that is a reduction of about a million smokers each year.""

he certainly dont get the math correct..!
see how thery are confounded by their own numbers spiners?

""Cancer of the lung
is one of the most deadly killers of both genders""

we coverd the TRUE causes a few pages back
but big petrol big coal/gas..dont want us talking about truth

but when were all non smokers
then we will search out for the real causes
and reverse engeneer..back through the spin..to get revenge on the liars..[ju-liers]

""the record investments*
we have undertaken in antismoking social marketing campaigns""

lol yes they did their lobby well
got the extra cash from you
thats what its really all about

""that you can see when you watch the media""
yes the media ..cleaning up from running spin

we know advertising buys their loyalty..
the certainly would not.. reveal the spin,..it brings in too much revenue..,nice govt cash..[sellouts]

""The changes will not be popular with everyone""

but heck
no one hears them
let em die

..anyhow they pay tax
..till their last day

so our lobby
gets their subsidy
and advertiserrs get theirs
the media and big pharma gets theirs
and the anti smoking yes they get theirs..[each has a voice]

but not smokers

""We do anticipate that there will be some opposition to even these types of amendments, but we think—and I am sure the minister has made this plain to the large tobacco companies—that it will not really have much impact on tobacco companies’ activities. They will continue to sell their product;""

and pay their taxes
and yours too

""Those retailers will be consulted;""
but not smokers..lol

""we will not do this
in the absence of having some discussions with them""

as well as our other stakeholders
but not smokers..stuff them
tell them to quit

and thats it

""I really welcome
the establishment of the Medicare Locals.

..the idea of funding and targeting services
in terms ..of not just local diabetes care,..lol
but also some antismoking*.. activities and targets.

I think that is an opportunity for the Medicare Locals in my area who work with primary health care, particularly doctors*.

We have got the psychology clinic attached to the University of Queensland, where the GP superclinic is.

But improving patient care
by dealing with antismoking activities in our schools,
is a good focus for the Medicare Local which will be established.

I think this is a great opportunity for the new Medicare Local to undertake ..some antismoking activities by advertising

and really reaching out with doctors,
allied health professionals and nurses
in the schools ..and the various groups.

The Prime Minister made it plain in her press release
on 22 February 2011,our new guidelines for the Medicare Locals,
would help health practitioners.""

do what?

""..through developing integrated
and coordinated "services".

I can think of no better activity..
than to undertake an *antismoking activity and coordinated campaign.

I think this is a good opportunity to do that
because it will get doctors and allied health professionals..

with particular expertise..in this area,""

quite a collusion
of organised authority

certainly hope they can prove their case..

just in case ..someone gets it into his head
..to sue the lot of em..

alp
Tony Zappia

""80 per cent of smokers are addicted at below the age of 18 years""

""following World War II, throughout this country about three-quarters of the male population smoked

and about a quarter of the female population smoked.

By the mid-1970s the number of male smokers had dropped to around 43 per cent of the population, but the number of female smokers increased to 33 per cent and hit its peak around that time.

It is interesting to follow those trends""

yes it is tony

tell me mate...
what was the death-rates ..back THEN?

reducing the numbers
has only increased the deaths ATTRIBUTABLE..to smokers..

some fail to see where there is fire
there is occasionally smoke

just because we see no smoke
dont mean there aint no fire

[smoking RELATED]
..not cause of death

get it?
there is a real difference
continue quote's

""The anti-smoking drug varenicline, otherwise known as Champix, has also been made available through the PBS for an additional 12 weeks.

I commend the Minister for Health and Ageing for supporting that move.""

""last year I raised the importance of ensuring that nicotine patches were placed under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme.""

""Australians discard some 32 billion cigarette butts each year""

and someone had to count them all*...lol
or its a lie...SPIN*

""that equates to something like 40,000 cubic metres of waste.""

did they get a govt grant to run the numbers?

""you can understand the serious implications and impacts of cigarette butts on our environment generally""

i certainly did when that cute young greenie
explained it all for me..

she wasnt a lobbiest..lol

just a numbers counter...
tired..?..from counting all them ciggie butts

""I will touch on is the impact of passive smoking.""

i wonder will he tread ...on big petro?
putting all that smokey diesal ..in your kids lungs?

""..Again, it has been well-documented that passive smoking has a direct impact on other people""

yes mainly city-dwellers
and farmers running their tracters in their sheds

alp
Steve Georganas

""The argument has been that people should be their own filters, being free to choose what they watch, read, listen to et cetera.
..It is a purely social libertarian argument""

watch this one

""It is a nice idea. It would be lovely if people made rational choices or if their choices could be made without impact on others""

yes especially drunks
or nanny state lobbiests media types.. needing a quick buck

""one is never totally rid of the desire to smoke.""

thus we NEED to continually
SCARE THE PANTS OFF EM!

increase the price
by indexing 25%..ANNUAL..
[ABOUVE INFLATION}.increases

so that they give in..go broke..
or die trying..simply to pay ..the extra prices

""The Australian Health Institute
encapsulates* the effects*of smoking thus:

Tobacco/smoking..is a major risk* factor*
..for the three diseases that cause most deaths in Australia:

ischaemic heart disease,
cerebrovascular disease
and lung cancer

It is responsible for around 80 per cent
of all lung cancer deaths
and 20 per cent..!..of all cancer deaths.""

ie those 7000..in qld alone..!

so what are
*the true numbers?

isnt it true

reveal the truth
was 7000 q'lders true?

OR
is 15.000 australians..true
who knows?

""In 1998,smoking cost each and every one of us
a combined total of almost $13 billion in healthcare,..lost productivity and other costs.

Healthcare costs..*attributable to tobacco
for the year 1998-99 were over $1 billion,
including medical,hospital,nursing home and pharmaceutical costs.""

and now{acording to 3 previous member's}
30 billion and/or 31 billion..

come on folks
these numbers
have been spun

""The costs of the cigarettes
are in addition..to these figures""

were..?..in addition
[in the 90's?]

maybe now
its a 'total'..number

please explain..the divergence of ammounts?

what has changed
the math?
spin?

alp
Deborah O'Neill

""I am glad we have got through this debate""
lol
""so far and managed to avoid
those predictable..nanny*state arguments""

aint that funny
THE SAME WORDS..BELLY POSTED>>!
at the beginning..!

""You do not have to go far
to find warnings..by our public health authorities
that smoking is..*expected*..to kill one *million Australians*..
over the next decade""

OH DEAR..
what is ten times 15,000?

150,000
NOT ONE MILLION..!

cant you see
how they are making it up ..as they GO?

""care for those..one million* Australians
who simply ..*will not be here""

yeah tell me bout it...lol

""..because of the impacts of tobacco smoking
on their life and health.The preventable death of one million Australians...*understandably..needs to be our No. 1 focus""

to make matters even worse
SHE REALLY BELIEVES..HER OWN SPIN!

""Consider as well..that close to three million
Australian adults..smoke on a daily basis""

and one million
will die..in ten years..lol

""and you get a clear picture
of the public health costs..[spin]..of smoking""..{.."related...attriutable."}

we/they
have been decieved into believing SPIN

""Consider also that around half of these smokers
who continue to smoke..for a prolonged period ..die early""

not the use og half?
for the other 'half'
at best[worst].. 8 years early...

Half of them die
in middle age""

[thus the other 'half'
die during old age?]

""The Australian Institute of Health and Welfare has tobacco
causing..just under eight
*disability-adjusted*..life years.

That is almost eight years
off your life ..if you are a smoker""

interesting stat that
which half?

you can have the 8 years
give me back my tax

""Many of us here know people who have died of lung cancer,
and this is the case for me. One woman...""

im a smoker
and i dont..

AFTER GUILTING by docters
she said..""‘I shouldn’t have smoked.’""

"" She learnt too late to be able to stop herself from the habit, to be able to change her life outcome...That was two years ago—and, in terms of eight adjusted years of life, Gay should at least have another six.""

this is all for a lousy extra 6 years?
thought it was..8..mate?

""On a macro level, the total quantifiable cost
to the economy lol..of smoking,
*including the costs associated with loss of life,
is estimated at over $31 billion.""

ohh now we see how we got from one billion
to 31 billion,,[creative accounting]

""Quitting at age 50
halves your risk of smoking related death,""

lol

""but quitting by age 30 avoids almost all* of the excess risk.""

interesting point

"" Stopping at age 60, 50, 40 or 30 can result in gains of, respectively, about three, six, nine or 10 years of life expectancy.""

so the 8 year thing ..was SPIN?

so a 12 year old
who gives up by 30
will be just fine?

gotta love statistics

""..regard to the prevalence of smoking
among blue-collar workers.""

""I am aware of research
that found all three measures of socioeconomic status—education, income and relative socioeconomic disadvantage—are significantly related to the likelihood of smoking..""

""Of these three measures,relative social disadvantage was most strongly related to smoking status.""

THUS THEY KNOW..
ITS A TAX ON THE POOR..!

""to talk..about the importance of preventative health
if you yourself..are addicted to tobacco dollars.""

LOL

IE the ANTI_SMOKING LOBBY
and subsidised BIG-PHARMA?

""And..*no-one should underesti*mate
the insidious*..ability of "big" tobacco
[*BIG-BUSINESS*?}..to get its message through""

SHOULD not.. THAT READ
the inside-ious.. able..big* anti-smoking* lobby?
thats getting govt
to get its mess-age through..to even you?

""I find this quite disgraceful...""

lol
""The alliance home-page carries a disclaimer
that, frankly, says it all:""

[ie smokers lobby =3]

""We are supported..by British American Tobacco Australia Limited … Philip Morris Limited …and Imperial Tobacco Australia Limited …""

3..!

""Supported by"
..Owned by..!..those [BIG MULTI-NATIONAL LOBBY}..many..companies
to prosecute their self-interest*
..would be much closer to the truth.""

against HOW MANY..ANTI SMOKING LOBBY?
and THEIR SELF INTREST'sss?

""I can only hope
this preventative health campaign
we..are running""...

yes that you..are RUNNING
and we are paying for?

""is experiencing great success
and that that of the opposition ..is experiencing its last gasp""

yes 3 dead ciggie companies
who couldnt lobby via the media
nor get govt money to lobby for nuthin

against a group of colluding people
we are paying to ride us into an early grave
via lies and spin

""We have certainly come a long way.

The medical and health communities""

how many lobby just there

""have been vocal in their support of the Tobacco Advertising Prohibition Amendment Bill 2010. As you would expect, the Australian Council on Smoking and Health has welcomed the move.

The AMA President,Dr Andrew Pesce,
has also voiced his support.""

yep hundreds ..in*..on this colusion lobby
to tax smokers..to an early death
and get GOVT SUBSIDIE..cash

ALP
Chris Hayes

""Leaving aside the emotional costs..of that toll,

...*the social costs...*
are estimated at $31.5 billion...""

estimated
note NOT HEALTH COSTS..!