Nanny state? what do we ban next? maybe but.
That Nanny state pays the bills via us, health and the welfare for those unable to work because of smoking.
15.000 are said to die each year because of smoking.
We are about to put cigarettes in brown unmarked packs,and the industry will fight that in every way they can.
How do we save lives and the costs?
Should we pay for others folly's.
An alternative exists, it too will be pilloried by the industry and users but we should not continue to pay.
40% tax on all production ,this tax straight to out national health system and distributed to the health care that is suffering because of smoking.

I for one am all for banning tobacco and smoking.

Nobody can possibly deny the fact that it kills, but, like many things, where do we get the revenue from that tobacco products raise?

Solve this problem and we can tackle many issues that cause premature deaths.

In the mean time, make them pay their own medical bills. Same goes for anyone who knowingly abuses their bodies then calls for medical help. We already have enough extra mouths to feed.

why are you telling lies belly?
you say 15,000 deaths
but the lawyers use the word ATTRIBUTED
ie not the cause of death as such..but deaths ATTRIBUTABLE to smoking

how is it attributable
by deeming smoking to cause cancer heart-attack..empghasaema and frost bite..to be caused by smoking..thus any deaths FROM THE SAME
are ATTRIBUTABLE to smoking..

its funny how we swallow the spin
we heard lawyers colluded to hide the facts
BUT ARNT ALLOWED TO SEE THE FACTS..its a clever catch 22

how do we KNOW ..they got the facts?
they could have ..made this whole thing up..!
just to get their mates a nice tax cash cake..

you know most politition's...ARE or WERE lawyers
over half ya govt members WERE LAWYERS..the self same lawyers that are now DEEMING tobacco to kill..and getting a nice new tax out of us..by guilt UNSUPPORTABLE by the facts

i dont know any sick smokers
how many you know of?

but aint it funny how they go into hospital
and die within days

aint it funy how we get a tax
then get new guilt..from adverts ..WE PAYED for

our tax started IMMEDIATLY
but the miners TAX will never be
whats the difference?

25 million of adverts?

to be continued
there is a lot more ..
im going to be saying on this

those who trust lawyers
put their trust on fools

GIVE US FACTS
give autopsy reports
but we dont do autopsies
they would expose WE BEEN LIED TO

you say industry will fight
lol you are a funny guy

mate i been waiting for my tobacco delivery to arrive for weeks
seems they are about to cut and run...worse i paid for my order via anz...[and you know what they been doing to this site]

im taking this personally mate
govt steals my tax..feeds me some guy coughing up strawberry jam

his cough isnt even believable
why arnt our suppliers taking govt to court for the lies

we se a cows artery filled with margerine
or some guy with tooth problems teeth..mate aint that neat
i got yellow teeth..with smokers breath..but NOThING LIKE THE ADVERT

how many smokers got teeth like that?
any dentist could tell ya it aint smokibng what donbe that
those teeth come from too myuch acid [ie softdrink or orange juice]
those teeth are in some kids mouth..!

their mother/father fed them softdrink
not toobacco

or how about the guy with black toes
mate thats some mountain climber with gangrenous toes

HOW YA THING SOME JURY WILL REACT TO THOSE LIES

dont be joking
lawyers wont represent us
because they are the PROBLEM

but all it takes is truth to be revealed
we are still one third the population..one of us will be on the jury
or know a smoker and be forced into compulsory tax because of that

BUT ITS ALL BASED ON A LIE
tax by guilt

shame blame lies
and ever more taxes

you talk about alternatives ..lol
yeah like chewing gum..priced by lawyers?

how hard is it to take suger out of gum
and throw in a few ciggie butts?

then charge us ten times the price of real chewing gum?
make it SO EXPENSIVE

that it NEEDS and GETS
a govt SUBSIDY via your health dollars?

mate ya being conned...AGAIN

i dont know any smoker in hospital
NAME NAMES BELLIES..how many you got?

how about those abusing sugar..
who need medical aid for diabetus
they stealing from you too?

or those people need their blood washed
every week /day..they stealing from YOU?

are they paying tax ..on the cause of their disease
reviled by all..blamed for everything
advertised ..by ridicule and insult

smokers go to hospitral..told you did it to you ..GOAWAY
who else cops that..how many obese DONT OVEREAT THEIR WAY INTO SICKNESS?

but no we must protect the sugar industry
mustnot tax lollies or transfats..or booze

mate if lawyer really helped
this lie couldnt have got started

but they been sheparding the lie
ASK YOURSELF WHY

think of the ruling in usa
that forced the companies to payout
EVEN THAT WE SMOKERS PAID FOR

how come other multinationals appeal
and get off..but was all that spin ever appealed?

why not?

smoking causes cancer..lol
next we hear they will cure cancer shortly

heck they even made gmo tobacco
that is said to stop this
but can we buy it...NO

WHY NOT?

we pay our way
stop giving the money to the media for adverts that lie

put the tax WE ARE FORCED TO PAY..into health..for smokers
but no we get told you stink ..go to hell

is govt allowed to declare war
on its oWN PEOPLE via lies?

you swallowed the coolaid..and we get abuse and a new tax

IS IT BANNED NOW?
then whats the problem..if its really bad ban it
but there is no proof its bad..
so we get sold spin/lies.. via adverts

drinkers are the real problem

go to the emergancy center
on any friday or saterday night

you will see glassings rapes
the result of violence and drink drivers

we got real problems
mainly that lawyers
[prophesional liars]..are running politricks
spinning spin to get ever more guilt taxes..

the ozone hole will cause global heating
now
the earth is melting give us a new tax..
because now its carbon ..not ozone?

cant you see this spin ..for ever new taxes]..
will be the death of all of us

mate im angry

i got a weeks worth of smokes left
then i really get angry

you aint seen nothing yet
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11283&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3851&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2696&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2905&page=0

cant find that time the libs planned a smokers tax
that julia adopted
then we got the adverts

just like adverts spin
the miners used to not get their tax

but dont worry
this time we will have a debait

its time we stood up
or hit the streets ..or the courts
or formed our own 'smokers rights party'