What would our country look like if we did not share the costs of education, health, so much more.
I rechtub gladly pay to see my doctor, and have no problems paying my tax.
I could never charge those who got the bail out money first round with wasting it.
How can you say that? on what evidence?
How much went into your butcher shop?
How much found its way via tax back to the government?

*Another poster says we are wasting cash on schools and hospitals!

Dear Prime Minister'in Waiting

Your leaned Gertrudanomics, MS Speaker Policy:- did not oppose ALP State hospitals “ bailed outs.”
Said - State ALP Governments rightfully under attack bailed
ALP State`s miserabe failers first.
(There’s a difference(.

"Dont need another thread",

Value adding: -nothing effects the ‘budget ‘more than employment – value adding. Go for it! (Belly might even learn how he can pick up a quid via new members ( after conditions)

: Your Education training policy: -
Is= cost effective, efficient, - showing real leadership as expected.

*We have approx 20 million people. Approx 7 million work. 3 million don't pay positive tax, so it's up to the 4 million left to pay this back. Is that fair?*

Foxy Belly Pls respond- Well is it?

*bail-out packages misdirected to alleviate the results of loss-of-confidence do not solve the problem, they mask it and entrench it deeper.*
*“Would we be better making it some sort of industry "bail-out", since the jobs picture seems to be getting gloomier by the day?”*

Sounds like our next Deputy PM: but watch your back PM: in waiting, he`s leadership material.

*Is PALE saying that workers in high risk environments should pay for vaccinations* such as hepatitis, Q-fever and other diseases specific to certain environments?
PALE is saying workers 'used to be Vaccinated on jobs= so unions double up take blood give injections.

*Intensive farming has nothing to do with the Liberal Party or the financial bailout,*

WRONG= Needs infrastructure create jobs especially “ VALUE ADDING”
Its everything to do with it.!

*Yabby, in a historic moment, I agree with you. I've been wondering why PALE hasn't had a word to say about the starving cattle in Queensland too.*

Ar, Nicky but where`s Australias Federation Peak Umbrella=
Animals Australia is the only national animal protection organisation that actively exposes animal abuse and promotes a cruelty-free lifestyle. Representing some 40 member societies and thousands of individual supporters, we are also Australia's largest and most dynamic national animal protection organisation.

"Nothing" about fire, floods.

?

?

*Ok Gertrude, I will sum up...
Gold Coast and really get her hands dirty,
Helping those animals.
What have I missed?*

You missed that is the only place Gertrude is happy, for starters.
You missed we have helped see threads + privately

*So your time seemingly is better spent arguing on OLO
That rehctub should be PM.*

Like you, with your shares, in Westpac Yabby dearest, - I too believe its wise, to invest in the future :) with my PM in waiting, Australia will exceed ‘morally’ +financially.

But just a tick, and Gertrude, will look for a spare witch’s broom. This one`s worn out from turning into a web master.
There you go Nicky =
http://www.rspcaqld.org.au/campaigns/liveexporttrade/
The other site you ‘complained about is being rebuilt - hope that satisfactory.

Attention: Yabby was right calling for volunteers:
- While nobody could get through earlier .QLD Floods “have been overlooked.
After being put through, from the Premiers office to the department –we were then informed the SES was delivering Hay :)

Wish those ALP guys would come up with some new lines.-
From there they put us through to “The ‘Brisbane’ City Council!” ‘Hopeless’.
Contacted Premier`s Media R went out this afternoon. Some Hay going- can’t say how much until Monday from Government.
Pale`s raised from Rockhampton 5 Ton of Sugar Drip Transport to deliver. We require coordination person’s volunteers to launch joint effort working with QLD ALP. Sounds like the perfect job for you Nicky and Co.
Working with the peak body I am sure you girls will be fine. Just remember I offered those flippers cheap and mud is great for the complexion. Leave the high heels behind and don’t forget the airoguard and to have a good few weeks!
Unfortunately I am not joking so hows about you get those thousands of your mates, members and lend a hand just for once.?

Oh and don’t forget to thank Yabby for the information.

I heard a rumour nothings going liveexports for ages.

Something- diseases and informing buyers.

Dont forget- Watch out for those mossies- their killers:)

*You missed that is the only place Gertrude is happy, for starters.*

Fair enough Gertrude, sounds like those tens of thousands of cattle
will have to starve and die without your help, as the Gold Coast is
where you want to be.

So really, what it comes down to, you see yourself as an armchair
critic. Make a few noises here and there, post on a few threads
on OLO, tell the Govt what it should be doing etc.

In other words, you want to be seen to be doing all sorts of things,
but when the crunch comes and tens of thousands of cattle are
starving in Queensland, you have no plans to do anything but
remain an armchair critic.

Fair enough, if that is your choice, then so be it.

Yabby, another historic moment. I can't see anywhere where you asked what other organisations (in other states) were doing, but beyond that, this latest claptrap from PALE is largely incomprehensible, other than that they (?) won't be leaving the Gold Coast any time soon to help the cattle. Much easier to criticise everyone else.

Rehctub, I agree with you on several fronts - I think you are absolutely right about jobs. In the days when I taught at TAFE (although I wasn't teaching in the "trades"), I found that some disciplines were better than others. But TAFEs can only teach from the National Training Packages, and they are only updated something like every five years.

Back when Labour Market Programs existed, wage subsidy and "broker" programs were excellent because they provided full on the job training, but they were abolished when Howard came to power.

Also, the supply and demand equation has a further component - prices. The cost of living has grown exponentially (or partially so) with wages. And Belly is right too; employers did start the "bidding wars" for labour. Now the tables are turning, the unions cannot be blamed for that, and nor can awards, which have basically only risen in keeping with the CPI.

I guess everyone here is seeking to get this right. This open discussion is good value.

Nicky

What a load Of Garbage Nicky. 'Cop out.' We have just posted we are to help establish a rescue unit working with the Government for floods after 'already' doing our bit for fires. Which we are still doing. How much yabby do you think 3 office staff could do pluss whos going to contiune to organise the donations and pick up we are ALREADY DOING!answer phones and run the office.
Where`s the help from your so called peak body Nicky.? Tell us what Animals Australia are doing.? Animal Liberation? YOU?

Come on Nicky you sit on OLO for years and rubbish RSPCA and PALE.
Here`s is RSPCA QLDs efforts for the fire- where Animals Australia. After all its in their own state!

http://www.rspcaqld.org.au/Fire_and_Flood_Assistance.htm

Yabby We have an office to run for starters and I personally have hosres that must be cared for. Also obligations with people arriving from ME and other family obligations looking after my sisters farm stay animals for two weeks on top of everything else!

This requires 'many' to lift hay and at least six coordinators.

Why dont you get off Your Bum! and help. Oh Cant leave your farm. Well I have two farms and a padock with twenty rescue Animals 17 of those are horses to look after pluss what I do here.

I also tipped in 5 grand for Hay which was the bottom of our petty cash tin.

Actually it was ALL we had

Go to hell.

Now I am going to ask officially for AA and Al to help. They claim they have thousands of members ! We dont and the ones we have work.