*We may sometimes not be wrong in doing so, still can not understand why animal welfare gets a start in a politics thread.*
Belly
You claim you support unions well perhaps you should do some reading the AMIEU I have put out for many years.
We are here to discuss the rescue budget and why funds should be put back into value adding. Do you even know what that is. You dont seem to understand that 'trade is the key to the solution here.

You abuse anybody who doesnt support your union while sticking it up a fellow union the AMIEU.

You claim you care about the economy but you refuse to listen to someone who is an employer in the meat indusrty like rehctub.

If this is any example of how you treat the boses on the ground no wonder they dont like the unions.


You have yet again demonstrated your lack of understanding about the rescue package and how very important the meat industry is in Australia.

Perhaps rehctub can explain to you the public funds lost by exporting not just animals as raw materials but other products the we should be value adding.

If ever Australia needed to do that its now. The rescue budget most certainly should include oportunitys to vaule add for the meat industry

It is silly he uses the rescue package to create jobs in one particular sector while we are paying to ship our other jobs off shore.

You are so right there. We should be providing jobs to the jobless. Let them work 20hr per fortnight for thier handout and, if they don't like it then, tough!, get another job. The time for free loaders in this country is over.

Imagine the amount of damage we could do to corruption rackeres in these third world countries if we only ever sent FOOD and not MONEY. I say ban live export. Our meat should come in a box or not come at all.

Now this 'value adding' senario can be effective in many areas. Low value crops can be picked and shipped to the nations in need. Even our own needy areas at times. All at no cost to the grower as the labor is free by way of the hand out recipients. Being unemployed effects ones self asteam, so let them work and, whan a full time job becomes available where they are they will be the first to get the job.

Value adding simply means adding value to something we already sell as raw product. Meat, some wheat, wood pulp (if that still occurs) steel, the list goes on. In the late 90 we sold wood pulp for something like $1,000 per ton and bought paper back at $15,000 per ton. Don't quote me I am not sure of the exact amount.

Every region has some type of industry that is running below peak capacity. Make the non workers work in these fatories, or, get a job.

Value adding like this can create fatory jobs, bus driver jobs for the workers, child care workers for the single mothers children. The list goes on. Nobody, but nobody that is capable of working should be allowed to not work. Esspecially whan we don't take every opportunity to value add our raw products.

And belly,You said "you constantly talk down to under privileged people, how can you know every poor person is a bludger?"
You are either ignorant, stupid or both. All of what you have just said has been answered by me in the past. You appear to be a typicle one eyed unionist. I am even tipping that you come from what they call 'the mother country'.

Why just the other day you agreed that wages had risen from supply and demand.

You know you live in a shaky employment system whan one can do the numbers before accepting the job. Gee, I can't take that job cause my benifits will be reduced. Sad Sad world we live in. Not only do we pay them to have kids, we now pay them to have time off to do it, then we pay them a good living to sit at home and not work.

What a joke, and to think that your type fight to protect these rules.

And of course, you have once again dodged my question. Is it fair for slightly more than half the workers to pay all the bills?

I just hope you fools don't bring our country to it's knees again, cause there's nothing left to sell this time.

By the way, it was over paid workers, mostly youth, that brought this situation upon us. They went from jobless, to a grand a week plus and spent the lot.

That is where the faulse ecconomy came from, not the rich, as they purchased additional houses, units etc, not beers and alchopops!

Why else do you think the bars and cafes have quadrupled in the past decade. Disposable income. Get it!

http://www.worldhalalforum.org/whf.html

I would ask each and every one of you to click on the thread above and take a look.
Our budget is a result of what is going on in the world around us- especially trade.
Look to see the message from the Minister of Maylasia and others.
We are looking for countries to ... Read for yourselves.

Inform yourselves as to how very important part our Agriculture and meat Industry is.
We are the largest country in the world supplying these raw materials. Its a three trillion dollar industry and growing.
Why should miss out on the oportunity of having this type of inflastrure in our country towns.
The kick back from the dozens of other industries that come from these raw materials costmetic just for one.
We have already agreed it will not be animal tested. They have already agreed to slaughter in Australia and export either in carcuss of cuts.

They have already said hey would love to help our aboriginal people be self sufficiant and have their own unis hospitals etc.

Look at the link. See whats really possible for Australia.
Then tell me that we have no right to comment in this thread or any other to do with the rescue pack.
People with vetted interests are he only ones who dont want the good public to know whats going on in the world around us.

So take a look pls. At least to be in a position to make comments that refer to trade and the budget

rechtub I am leaving this thread, we all should, while you and I have been closer to the subject PALE has not.
Watch that loving verbal arm over your shoulder, I have seen it so many times.
Just in the past 6 weeks PALE has called me a good bloke straight shooter.
And invited me on board the good ship animal welfare.
No bloke not a pommy our birth mark is likely to be the convict chains
you strike out at me, ok no worries, but FIRMLY that is how I see you.
200 plus posts but about 50 on subject, we all can be blamed but surely we should stop taking PALES baits?
PS this very day a BOSS called me, he is using a contractor who has paid no super, he bought the firm from another boss who did not pay super.
A boss wanting my help to get another? those high wages earners who ruined our economy?
Mate you can not be fair dinkum? bought about bank crashes loan defaults ROFL some understanding clearly called for bloke
talk to you in another thread rechtub.

Pale, you do belong to this thread, however I don't think animal walfare belongs here but certainly your value adding of the meat industry does as it is one area where the demand is certainly there and we can create jobs by V/A without jepordising existing employment.

You said about the spin=off effect, here are just a few.

Live export involves the farmer, the carrier, perhaps the agent. That's it. As for the sipping company, they are needed, for both dead or alive shipping.

On the other hand if we V/A we create jobs for all of those plus, yarding staff,
transport companies for processed meats,
refrigeration staff,
cleaning staff,
bonners, slicers, packers,
sales personel,
meat inspectors, quality assurance personel,
the canteen staff, the office staff, the carton manufactureres, the trucking company that provided that business with its goods,
the printing firms that print cartons,
the laboritory staff that perform testing, so on and so on.

Quite simply, the processing logistics required for dead meat V live export is mind blowing. And you know what, the farmer still gets paid either way.

I am so much with you on this value adding angle, we must make the most of every opportunity or risk being plumited back into the deep red deficets of the 80's and 90's.

Oh, and did I mention UNION STAFF AND THIER DELIGATES!

Go for it you have my support!
Cheers