Belly
The following is an honest report . It might even surprise you
On the Left Side we have comments on topic. The star those who went off topic

LEFT SIDE ON TOPIC RIGHT SIDE
Foxy
Arjay , examinator * unner, Belly
RobP
pelican, ASymeonakis*
Foxy,
Foxy, examinator Ludwig,
RobP belly*
Foxy
Ludwig, belly Belly, attacking personally) Col*
Ludwig,
meredith*
R0bert,
Col Rouge,
Arjay,
rehctub, S
Horus,
Ludwig, Belly,*
spindoc
Arjay,
rehctub,
examinator,

Foxy,
examinator,*
TurnRightThenLeft
ASymeonakis *

Palimpsest
Col Rouge
TRUTHNOW78,
Foxy,
pelican,
Ludwig
pelican,

y People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming,

rstuart,

Col Rouge,
palimpsest, examinator,*
rehctub, meredith,*
Nicky, *
Col Rouge Belly,union*
Houellebecq,
Col Rouge,
Foxy,
R0bert,
Foxy, T
Nicky,*
Belly,
Foxy,
Ludwig, Nicky,unions
RobP,
Foxy
Nicky,
Belly,unions
Belly

Col Rouge,
People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Belly,
Bronwyn, y Belly,
pelican, S Yabby,


That would be a great test of PALE&IF's credibility.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Sunday, 15 February 2009 9:24:34*

PM Nicky, after ppale flameing pale*
Is anyone able to make any sense about this last lot of claptrap from PALE? Nicky*

Nicky
Posted by Nicky, Monday, 16 February 2009 1:19:11 PM

Posted by CJ Morgan,**


CJ, PALE never HAD the plot.*

Nicky*

TurnRightThenLeft,

Posted by Belly,
Belly, Munion*
People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming

Belly, *And I have rarely seen a thread PALE did not try to introduce its pet issue into.*

Belly* Nicky, W Yabby, Tattack pale off post
Belly, belly off post Nicky,*
People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, T y Yabby,*
Nicky*
Yabby,*
Yabby*
Belly,*
Yabby*
Nicky,*
Yabby,*
Yabby,*
Please note pale is not going off post Yabby Is! However we shall respond: Yabby,
Belly,u complaing about me then going into union

rehctub

I would like to put forward a value adding proposal on this thread and Prime Minister in Waiting= Thankyou for treating us as you do others . BTW bellys started a new thread to get rid of us.) He always does that:)

It seems that this thread has now run its
course because many posters have left.
Some have started new threads, including
one by PALE&IF on foot and mouth disease...

I would therefore like to sum up the topic of my thread,
"Have the Libs. lost the plot?"
By a quote from an article given
in 'The Australian,' Feb. 23, 2009.

"Malcolm Turnbull has failed to make any
inroads into Kevin Rudd and Labor's imposing
lead over the Opposition after a week of Liberal Party
infighting.

With Liberal factional tensions simmering after
Julie Bishop quit as the Opposition's shadow treasury
spokeswoman, Labor maintained its 16-percentage point
lead over the Coalition, 58 to 42 per cent on a
two party preferred basis.

The Prime Minister also maintained his dominance over the
Opposition Leader in the preferred Prime Minister stakes.

Mr Rudd (64 per cent) topped Mr Turnbull (20 per cent)
- a 44 point margin - as preferred prime minister.

The poll came at the end of a week in which Mr Turnbull
was forced to sack Senator Cory Bernardi as parliamentary
secretary for disabilities after he claimed a fellow
South Australian Liberal MP had once said he would join
the Labor Party if he had lived in a safe ALP seat.

Although Senator Bernardi denied this it was widely
interpreted as being his factional rival and fellow
South Australian Christopher Pyne.

Mr Turnbull also had to publicly correct two frontbenchers
Tony Abbott and Andrew Robb for making statements about
Liberal Party policy on the level of pensions and climate
change."

Have the Libs. lost the plot?

According to the Newspoll and the Australian electorate,
they certainly have. At least for now. We can only trust
that they will get their act together prior to the next
election with possibly a new leader in place

rehctub,
If anybody wants to keep this thread going it~s us. vetted interests destroy all conversation. Nicky on the veggies agenda. belly unions. Yabby the Live exporter.



Prime Minister in Waiting I would like to share with you a proposal put to a Senate Enquiry from The Muslim Leaders of Australia AFIC

Please excuse typo as it was their first ever. Because we agreed to leave welfare of Animals out of it I will cut and paste.=

Mr Rudd Should be putting Some of the Rescue Package into this=

SUBMISSION FROM (AFIC) AUSTRALIAN FEDERATION Of ISLAMIC COUNCIL AND COUNCILS IN CONJUNCTION WITH (HKM) HALAL KIND MEATS, PALE AND RSPCA QLD

Thank you for the opportunity to provide comments on the provisions of the National ..

We would request this to be published and would like to give evidence at your enquiry.

We submit to your enquiry that until there is an Alternative method of farming and slaughtering.

(AFIC) (HKM) has put together a program to foster joint ventures with overseas live importers and investors with Australian Farmers in co joining or by lease or by personal arrangement and operating FREE RANGE Farms for all Animals and co-jointly owned abattoirs within Australia.



(AFIC) co-jointly with (HKM) Halal Kind Meat are responsible for Halal Meat and Food Products Certification.


(AFIC) HKM in conjunction with RSPCA QLD have identified a common goal namely the desire to stop the inhumane treatment of animals and to have meat and meat products prepared in accordance with the laws of Islam commonly referred to as Halal.
3.

We recognize the advantage of having meat and meat products provided in Australia for export which is being killed and prepared in accordance with the laws of Islam.
(AFIC)(HKM) recognises the need for export meat and meat products and the opportunity which flows are consequence to both employment and industry and Wishes to Ensure the humane Slaughter of Animals.
4.

(AFIC) have reached and performed significantly preparatory work in relation to the established Halal Abattoirs in Australia.

To Be Contiune

*seems that this thread has now run its*
*course because many posters have left.
Some have started new threads, including
One by PALE&IF on foot and mouth disease...

Foxy
( really)
I do not mean to offend you, I really don’t. I get so frustrated when you do that. You just shut everybody out if they are not agreeing with you. It’s rather impolite TBO. We have several people still posting actually.

Your lack of understanding what drives the country is affecting many of us. We come in these placed to educate people of the connection between loss of raw materials jobs in Australia.
You just jump to the conclusion we are here to discuss animal welfare. You don’t seem to comprehend the rescue budget should be used for value adding in Australia. That’s the only thing that will save us .- Why say pale has a thread on foot and mouth as if that was ok end of story. Don’t you see they are totally different topics?

Why on earth would you dismiss talks that affect our budget and employment?
Belly also continues to be offended mostly though ignorance. Hey we are a little tired of being told we are off topic when we are one of the few “on topic”.
I have noted your comments to ignore trolls. It was IMO directed to us. We are not trolls. We go into trade threads because live exports effects trade. We go into the rescue budget threads because we need people to understand that sending raw materials off before value adding is destroying our kid’s future.
Another thing neither you never complain when others go off post so long as they support Rudd.
That’s a fact sorry. You’re a good person. You wrote to Rudd about live exports asking him to stop the cruelty.
Ok, but did you fully understand the jobs and value adding that goes with that.
Allow others to have their say and do them the courtesy of reading and thinking about the points they are making pls.

?

*We come in these placed to educate people *

That is the problem Gertrude. You actually believe that
you do and have failed to notice that when you think you do,
everyone runs for the hills.

PALE&IF,

Kindly get something straight.

The posts I write are not about you.

My summation on this thread was just that - a summation.
Many posters have in fact left this thread. If you wish
to continue posting I don't see it as my job
to stop you. I could care less if you choose to continue
posting here ad infinitem... although it would be
gracious of you to start your own threads on your topics,
instead of de-railing mine. The topic of this thread
is after all "Have the Libs. lost the plot?" not the
current Government - or their budget.

As far as I am concerned you have lost all credibility
with your persistant attacks on me personally.

I'm not offended. I've simply lost interest in anything you
have to say. You seem to feel that if you repeat something
long enough, it's going to come true. It isn't.
You've been very selective in who you choose to criticize,
and you try to take the moral high ground by pointing
fingers at others while being guilty of doing what you're
accusing others of doing.

As for education people.
You need to start with yourself first -
before you can 'educate' any one else.