Gertrude, you have hijacked countless threads on OLO, this case
was simply too much for me, to not comment. Don't you ever talk
to me about the live trade again. Tens of thousands of cattle dying
in your state and you sit on your arse. End of story.

Belly, I agree with you that the union issue is not black and white.
Yes, there are unions where power has gone to the heads of the
organisers and its been badly misused. OTOH there are good reasons
why unions formed in Australia. If we read the history of the wharves,
British shipowners screwed workers blind and did not give a hoot.

So our union system has been based on them against us, which is
really the problem. In central Europe it has always been the case
of everyone cooperating, for mutual benefit. To me that makes far
more sense, as its more about a win-win situation.

For years I delivered air freight to Qantas Cargo. There was this
real standoff between workers and managers, them and us. White collar
would hardly talk to blue collar. I treated the fellas, who were
great guys by the way, as my equal and we became good friends.
They even got my cargo through a strike. I realised how much all
this is all about people skills and attitude. If the white collar
brigade had shared a beer or two with the blue collar and treated them
as equals, most problems would have never occured in the first place.

Please note pale is not going off post Yabby Is! However we shall respond:

After a Conversation with RSPCAQLD CEO this morning,
We are now able to inform those who care, about the
Animals in the QLD floods. RSPCA QLD has been busy
Organising much needed emergency assistance for those
Animals as well as putting in an enormous effort to
The Victorian Fires.

With some roads accessible ‘at last' now is the time to donate or offer your time to assist with QLD Floods.

A ‘big thanks’ to those who have already contacted our office in the last few days with offers of Hay and Produce.

We will keep you updated as to drop off points.

Again Thank You All

They are still in need of support,
So if you have not yet donated
To RSPCA QLD flood relief -I am sure
Their dedicated staff would

Love to hear from you.

http://www.rspcaqld.org.au/

Yabby You’re terrified of debating the meat industry.

If we are to have a rescue package then none is more important than our meat industry. Kevin Rudd should put some funds into infalstructure for the Australian meat processing sector. It’s important to consider with it the impact on other industries. Alongside the meat processing works themselves, there are enormous numbers of business reliant on a supply of co products from Australian based abattoirs, for the creation of their own processed product.
These business range from butchers and small goods producers, pet food products, manufacturers of industrial products and those companies that produce vetinary and pharmaceutical products, to mention just a few given space.

There however has been a distortion. There has been continued depression profitability among Australian meat processors and by product manufactures.
\ Apart of the rescue package should go to establish value adding plants instead of exporting our raw materials and the jobs that go with it.

If anything desrves a rescue package its the meat industry of Australia instead of exporting our jobs raw material that every single tax payer is paying to keep it going.

*Yabby You’re terrified of debating the meat industry.*

Rubbish. I simply don't think that you have the braincells
to think rationally, so you don't even understand the implications
of what you are suggesting.

Lets say that the Govt decided that Rehctub needed competition,
so they used Govt funds to set up a butcher shop next door
to him, using taxpayer funds. What do you think that Rehctub
would say?

For after all, they could pay more for their meat and sell it
cheaper, the taxpayer would foot the bill for the difference.

What you are suggesting is that Govt funds be used to compete
with Fletcher and other processors. What do you think they
are going to say about that?

Frankly I think that you have never even thought about these
things, for your understanding of economics is more akin
to Pauline Hanson or similar.

You might mean well and care about animals, but as we have
seen, when the crunch comes and tens of thousands of cattle
are dying in Queensland, your organisation simply does not
matter and you are powerless to do anything, except post
on a few threads on OLO and pretend that you do.

Ok, it keeps you occupied and off the streets, but that is
about it, IMHO.

Yabby

"In this case it was simply too much for me. Gertrude you sit ….."

It is firstly and solely the responsibility of the breeders of these animals and the government to have emergency and rescue plans for floods not Gertrude

Each property should have at least one large area with higher ground like a huge pile of dirt levelled out so that air drops can be done.

PM Kevin Rudd must be aware that people are going to be looking at every cent he has spent of our money as times get harder.
Too much money is being paid by every single family to support the cruel industry.

If ever anything had affected a country it is this. Australia can be the meat industry of the world if Kevin Rudd only sees we need those jobs here now.

It is silly he uses the rescue package to create jobs in one particular sector while we are paying to ship our other jobs off shore.


Of course PM Kevin Rudd should put a part of the rescue package into our meat industry or at least a fraction of it. It’s long overdue. Not to do so is criminal

Antje Struthmann

Foxy, not for the first time in this thread I am sorry, like most I got of subject.
We may sometimes not be wrong in doing so, still can not understand why animal welfare gets a start in a politics thread.
But it always does.
I need to answer a question, climb out on another limb, not related to the thread, our tree has many branches.
Unions awards wages now yesterday and tomorrow.
Awards rechtub set wages forever, once cost of living raises increased that rate, not to my understanding in future.
We are about to re write ALL awards, have less of them, covering people.
Safety net, things you can not trade away will be in every award.
EBA a way employers and employees can, do sit down and talk wages and conditions for the period ahead, 1 2 or 3 years, maybe more.
Increased productivity and key performance indicators are first for an employer, cost cutting the result.
Unions no longer have the power, even if they wanted to, to impose EBAs on the boss.
I KNOW unions, the good ones will not trade jobs for wage increases~
Hawk/Keiting had the accord[it cost workers too much] workers are Australians too, good unions are not all unions, mine will preserve jobs
EBA yes some in place for 12 more months, it is a two way street rechtub, your pal Howard saw AWA.s 5 year agreements signed by the already lowest paid ,giving up overtime, even rechtub sick pay!
much more. would you say we should rip up their agreements before they expire?
You constantly talk down to under privileged people, how can you know every poor person is a bludger?
Can you get your head around the fact it was not them but the very rich who put the world in this bottomless crisis?

Yabby

You are trying to steer the discussion away, from the meat industry. We have every right to explain why at least, ‘some of the rescue funds, from Kevin Rudd should include agriculture. This is something also structured to give the aboriginal people their independence.
So its gloves off is it Yabby. Good. I prefer to debate on merit not personal insults.

You certainly have clearly demonstrated why the opinions of vested interest are not to be trusted.

It’s your style, (or lack of, more like it.) Seems Dickey was correct not give you the benefit of the doubt. There are plenty of other farmers / butchers interested to upgrade domestic plants to export standards. To recieve assistance for the first time in their lives by public funded departments. Those public funds were always supposed to assist them such as Austrade and MLA.
To be able to engage in discussions for accreditation through AQIS.


I can assure you the free ride for exporting our jobs while we the pubic pay for it is getting closer to coming to an end. MS also has pointed that out. The economy is in trouble and not even Kevin Rudd will be able to justify it any longer.
RSPCA have promised Mr Rudd they will not back off this argument and nor will any other decent person.

.So it would seem your 'alone when thinking I am’ brainless’; Considering I personally sold this project to the Malaysian government with our very savvy partners in Animal Welfare the Muslim leaders of Australia whom by the way I had to convince first.

There are forty two heads who would know more about the export of Halal meat that you could dream of.
Your hero’s Elders requested a meeting with three of their close advisors.

As I suspected, your ‘claims’ of having written letter to Ministers and authorities requesting they cut the red tape, and reopen plants, to give farmers alternatives were disingenuous.