PALE, the best information available is that PALE did not pursue the Victorian and Tasmanian slaughterhouses that were for sale. And it is you who complaints that High Wirth will not speak with you. If you think you can get him to comment publicly, I'd say go for it.

As for the priest, reports indicate both the exporters and AQIS were quite put out by it

Yabby, as usual your argument is worthless - I can just see the Australian Navy going after Somalian pirates. And I can live without petrol for my car, as it happens.

Your argument about your dog is even more fatuous. You are subjecting a dog to risks of cancer, and breeding puppies, some of whom you will no doubt kill, for the sake of your own self-aggrandizement. It has nothing to do with your dog living a "natural, happy life". Do try to get a grip on your ego.

Nicky

Nicky

Grant wouldn’t be privy to that.
Your doing your higher moral ground thingy again.

I observe your perhaps disingenuous.

You declined contact with Robert the lawyer at his invitation. You declined meetings with AFIC

Glenys AFAIK didn’t respond to Lawyes when offered services of the best QCs this country has to offer re the WA case.



Do you want to know what I ‘really think’ about Animal Welfare in General.

I think it’s a load of political bullSH!.

You`v had goes at us claiming Oo, Ah, pale isn’t on the boards. (*“ Bored” being the key word to me*)

Nicky how long can these people sit on a board discussing whether or not a pig gets 1/4 or 1/2 inch of cage space.

What a frigging joke. How self patronising is that. This crap has been going on for over twenty bloody years while these animals continue to suffer!

What about attendance to 'so called' animal welfare seminars hosted by Livecourpe etc...

I mean wouldn’t you think SOMEONE tell them to stick it where the sun don’t shine.


You all tagged Hugh with the name Dr Wirthless well before we came along.

Now if that’s the feeling why would all of you agree to him heading the Handle with Care.



Just thought I would point out the bleeding obvious.



I never complained Hugh wouldn’t speak to me. Believe me if I wanted to speak with him I would!

I ask you again just what is it you think he can do.?

Haven’t we already agreed he’s as effective as tits on a bull.

I will go for it when we are good and ready. When it can have some positive impact for the animals...

*As for the priest, *
I am sure they were pissed:)

Mark Pearson is smart enough to know the future for animal welfare lies within the Church.

I would encourage him into politics.

However animal welfare groups do not have the power to change anything unless they alien themselves much more closely with the red meat industry.

Nicky dear, do try and get a grip on some kind of rational thinking,
for it is you who is making a fool of yourself.

Fact is that you live in a world of interdependance and no, the
world around you cannot as yet live without cars etc, so you rely
on global trade as much as anyone else.

As to your ignorance about my dog, she's doing pretty well
living naturally thank you, unlike your city pooches.

Plenty of exercise, fun chasing rabbits etc, natural food like
meat and she is thriving, no cancers and all the other things
you lose sleep over. I remind you that too much anxiety leads
to cancer, so don't land up dying of worry.

She's also a happy mom, enjoying her pups to the max, but
perhaps the joys of motherhood is something that you don't understand,
for your own twisted reasons. I remind you, its very natural.

Nicky

Before I withdraw from Animal Welfare (which I’m considering) and
while I’m in the mood. - I don’t believe your working alone.

Records show you’ve rubbished pale at every opportunity instead of being glad of working with likeminded people. Attention Glenyse.

Anybody who really loved animals wouldn’t spend their energies trying to get RID of animal lovers.

When pale responded, you tell me, we are not, helping animals by creating disharmony.

(What a bleeding joke.)

I will always uphold the view your soul purpose by coming in here using a false name to stick it up pale for your buddies.

I said pls tell animal angels and the others there’s a pad and base of accommodation for them situated close to a major transport company.

(We even stuck an air com in and a swimming pool Satellite phone .

No interest.

When I post FACTS about MLA to Yabby. no interest.

I wish I could have helped progress things but your personalities forbid it.

Polite little post cards to the PM wont cut it – sorry.

How ‘awfully’ PC

I liked it better in the old days when a few of the farmers punched to living crap out of some of these cruel bastardise!.



Now Nicky rushes in to respond with =

= Pale we all have our own ways....

Just tell us 'your' programme pls Nicky?

Other than writing the usual letters for twenty years!

You don’t have one do you?

The best Handle with Care came up with was trying to barge in on our MOU and take the credit for our hard efforts instead of responding to our dozens of open invitations for years prior creating havic for the Muslim leaders as well.

Then you say why dont you talk to Hugh. Hilarious!

We`ll talk to him all right WHEN it suites US in front of the Australian public.

You need new leadership like Mark Pearson or someone ANYONE with a PLAN!not only based on veggies.

You need new leadership or at least ‘some’ leadership!

So until you all start DOING something like we have.

shutup

Just a brief response for now. PALE, has it NEVER occurred to you that people want nothing to do with you because of your abusive attitude, incoherent ramblings, and "my way or no way" approach? No-one wants to get tied up in these constant tirades of abuse and paranoia, and therefore no-one will take the risk of contacting your organisation directly so that you can relentlessly pursue them. I would imagine that no-one would want to be beholden to PALE in any way, particularly in terms of any co-location.

I have said from the beginning that I do not want contact with your organisation. As it happens, (I assume you mean) Grant Courtney was not my source of information. It certainly suggests that PALE is in fact all talk and no action though.

You have done more to damage the animal welfare movement than anyone else, single or group, in this country by continually attempting to sabotage and discredit anyone and everyone involved at every opportunity. And that isn't "creating disharmony"?

A quick search of news records around the country in recent times reveals not one mention of your organisation and what if anything it has done - but dozens about Animals Australia, PETA and Animal Liberation. And who was it who got the facts out on the several documentaries on which the subject has appeared? It was not PALE.

I have no idea how Wirthless came to be the spokesperson for Handle with Care, but I assume it was as a result of his undoubted (but probably undeserved) profile. As such there is not much you can do about it - other than your current sniping from the backblocks of this forum.

I'm afraid you brings these criticisms upon yourself.

Nick

*And that isn't "creating disharmony"?*

AA started it by instructing groups they couldn’t speak with PALE

We were warned before we opened to expect that type of behaviour.


You require people with a background and knowledge of the meat industry.

+someone who can join the dots of the different companies.

What a missed opportunity the AWB enquiry was.






*PETA and Animal Liberation. ….

Nicky you SAY you’re not speaking for AA then you speak for them. Make up your mind.

If you’re talking about the investigations then imo that was as a result of PALE approaching AA WITH Federal authorities involved.


Lyn`s doing a great job and so is Mark but you need to stop this anti pale campaign because we are working to reopen plants.

What’s been done in both the investigations and the court stuff is just a mini programme of what we put to them.
…
You want the truth? You cant handle the truth. Your either telling lies or you wouldn’t know what`s gone on.
Which one is it?

Either doesn’t suite the agenda’s of the massive ego`s for others to help animals OR it’s a political joke.Take your pick.

*A quick search of news records *

You and your darn Goggles!

*Animals Australia, PETA and Animal Liberation. *

Yes and their ALL opposed to pale working to reopen plants.
THAT’S what’s wrong. Can’t you see this is either incredibly stupid or their a political joke!



I don’t care what is said on their sites I have letters claiming they COULD NEVER be involved in working to reopen plants.

Well here`s NEWS Until somebody helps to do just that nothings going to change.

*I have no idea how Wirthless came to be the spokesperson for Handle with Care*

Who cares but it ought to tell you 'something