*Heard it all before Yabby. And what a truly disgusting "human being" you are. You make the rest of us ashamed of being human. *

You probably have heard it all before, but don't have the intelligence
to understand it, Nicky. Fair enough, you can't help yourself.

I remind you that you are the extremist vegan here, with your own
little "moral" code, which hardly has much in common with human
philosophy.

More like a religious cult really. Way over the top, extremist,
intolerant and inflexible. Only Nicky and Co seemingly know, all
the rest of the world must be wrong.

Boo hoo.

http://www2b.abc.net.au/tmb/Client/Message.aspx?b=90&m=35&ps=20&dm=1&pd=3

Reading the above link _+ thinking of the stress endured by people who care.

You know Yabby If I recall I think Nicky said she looks after the Shame web site. Now if your post about chopping off the puppies head doesn`t make front page as an example of live exporters policies I`ll eat my hat.


I wonder at the difference in men- or women.
Knowing there are silent heroes and sensitive men like Mark Townend around helps but doesn’t` explain why others so different.

Can anybody tell me are there two laws in this country for cruelty to animals. Its possibly I guess that country areas and farmers have some sort code of practise that over rides state and federal laws regarding domestic animals but I am unaware if there is.

Perhaps a farmer could plead working dogs were part of his livelihood but in that case you would think there would be some need for control.

Take Yabby’s puppies for instance. If a person didn’t have their dog spade after being forced to knock a few on the head then you would have to be looking at some sort of change in the animal welfare act – wouldn’t you.

I mean if they really were working dogs you would think it would be in the farmer’s best interest to keep them and raise them surely.

I wonder if farmers have to pay their local council registration fees as people in the city.
I have never thought about it but perhaps we should introduce country dog registrations (not to control dogs walking into the neighbours) but to control how many puppies are bred or knocked on the head with an axe.
I think your comment Yabby would be most helpful to people like AA and others TBO.
It would certainly help the argument about live exports having a person who sees nothing wrong with it admit to knocking pups on the head with an axe.
Nobody could do a better job of explaining the problem to the Australian Public than you have.
Thank You

PALE, I don't look after the Live Export Shame website, but you can become a member and post topics there, I think.

The facts of the matter are that if the RSPCA knew about it they probably would have prosecuted him, but these people simply get away with it because they're not caught and made an example of. Brutality is a way of life for these neanderthals. And that's because their dogs, not sheep, cattle, pigs or chickens

You are absolutely right - it shows the depths of depravity that these people are capable of.

As for the other arguments, I am not going to contribute to them them any longer; they've been done to death, nothing new or progressive has come out of them (again), and anything Yabby has to say is simply beneath contempt. I made a decision not to argue other topics with him, now I'm adding this.

Nicky

Deary deary me, one of the things that amuse me about the animal
libber threads, is that I have seldom come across a bunch of
people who have less common sense then you lot!

Its exactly the opposite to working with a bunch of farmers,
who deal with adversity that you lot have never dreamed of and
show practical, every day problem solving skills that our twisted
sisters here would not even know about!

I'll explain it one more time, read it slowly, but perhaps you
still won't understand it.

My dog had 8 pups. It soom became evident after a couple of days,
that this number was far too many for her to nurse and feed,
the puppies with their eyes still closed, spent most of their
time competing with one another, so were clearly stressed and
so was mommy.

So I removed and destroyed two pups, the result being that mum
and her 6 remaining pups all thrived and continue to thrive.

Now if you don't have the common sense to understand the benefits
of that procedure, then I frankly can't help you ever learn
common sense.

*So I removed and destroyed two pups, the result being*

Yabby
Could you not have bottle fed or given them as others to feed.

I take it these dogs are not bred for sale as working dogs.

In which case I why do you bother to bring these pups into the world at all.
You have often spoken about over population in the world so I would have thought that might include dogs.

Looking at your post I see something else. That’s the lack of concern to the fact you would have ‘known’ your comment would deeply upset Nicky.

I understand you two often disagree but to me you showed the same callus disregard to her as the puppies.

I suppose it possible that you lack the gene in your brain that links to compassion. I am not trying to offend here just understand you.
We have always known there is a link between animal abuse and abuse to people.
Mostly it’s about control
Ask yourself this- What went through your brain as you decided to take these pups and chop their heads off with an axe.

Did you make a quick decision because things were not going your way perhaps? I seem to remember you saying long ago your Dad did something almost the same to your pet rat ( think it was).

Do you think it’s possible you’re still angry about that and this s your way of taking control? You probably wont answer this but what IS the law regarding farmers and their dogs.

Are farmers permitted to destroy not only sheep cattle but dogs and cats as well?

Nicky
I lost my best friend today. I had her twenty years. I am only telling you this because I know you will understand I am not in the mood disagree either.

'I say things others can’t'- purposely . Just know if we can help to put Lyn in a position of real power and Mark P we will...
Not all is as you think.
I have only ever targeted two people basically.

Good reason for that.

PALE, I am so sorry to hear about your best friend. Was it a human or animal friend?

With regard to Yabby's puppies, farmers want the community to take them and their "problems" seriously. I would suggest that the vast majority of the community would be as sickened and disgusted as I am by his callous actions. And such actions would not be unusual in those of his mentality. Just one step back from the monstrous thugs about whom this thread was started really.

I have raised a litter of puppies who were abandoned and orphaned (the owner of the mother was going into sheep farming and shot her). They were the size of guinea pigs, with their eyes still closed. We bottle fed them at two hourly intervals for as long as necessary, and they grew up to thrive in great new homes. They are border collie type mixes. Arguably a better solution to chopping the heads off tiny, defenceless puppies.

Yabby has also the singular view that only farmers deal with "adversity"; he has no concept of the wider view, only his own interests, and no notion of the adversity we all face in our daily lives. I won't go into the "adversities" I have faced at various times in my life.

PALE, I hope things get better for you. A cuddle with a dog always works for me.

Nicky