Rojo,
Keep that up you’ll turn me too into a veggie. You like a sad sick puppy.
I don’t like the thought of eating dog because I think of my pet dog or somebody else’s. It’s far deeper than that.


People, who know animals will tell you they think, feel in a way that often has a higher understanding than people.
Just because I work to reopen abattoirs doesn’t mean I like it.

*PALE, I don't know that animal advocacy groups thought a Labour government would do any more about this than the Howard government,*

No but I do Nicky.

Even Lyn thought Jack Lake was Ok
No wonder why Beasley lost imo.Perhaps Andrew helped.
After all, he did give his preferences to labour. That saved his bacon possibly.
All in the past. People need to think more for themselves.

*Kerry O'Brien would have ....*

Be it Kerry, Tom, Dick or Harry unless there’s an alternative programme put on the table with the right players backing it nothing will change.


*You also seem to think that people can abandon their jobs to do what you want them to do.*

wrong- I want the peoples who’s paid’ jobs are to make a difference- to get off their bums and support reopening plants.

Forget lobbying the Government with complaints of Animal cruelty because we both know they don’t give a dam.

*you could use some business advice.*
Yeh perhaps.. After all nobody expects an in confidence privy biz discussion to state Government leaked.

*For example, have you tried to speak to Wirthless by phone?*
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Yup, spoke to him once on his mobile. Asked aren’t you going to check the sheep on the Cormo at the new destination?
Hugh replied quickly as a whip - no the government won’t let me.

Took it to Government. They said, we assure you nobody stopped Hugh going anywhere. So ‘somebody’ told pokies

*Or Lynn Bradshaw? Or Handle with Care?*
Nicky
You fail to grasp the people your talking about wages are made up by a 50 50 % between state and federal Government.

Nicky

Whatever you think, I don`t say things, that are not true.
I couldn`t afford to. Many people would love to see pale end for all sorts of reasons.
RSPCA staff do a great job for dogs and cats. I have some best friends within them.

We ARE however looking at the STRUCTURE of RSPCA eg To 'whom' are they answerable to? How is the board 'structured.'

What are the roles of the 'special ministers' that report RSPCA matters back to Government ....
I had 'hoped' to enlighten some of the members of animal groups. Make them ask themselves is there more I could be doing other than sending my monthly membership.

As for talking to Hugh, RSPCA National, Animals Australia.

We will do that 'one day'. On something like insight (SBS) so the public can see everything out in the open.




Facts are the HKM programe was established to 'help' Animals Australia and RSPCA phase out live and replace it with chilled.

They 'knew' about this project.

Apart from RSPCA QLD CEO 'nobody' wanted to know about it.

Then after years of our lawyers and our invitations to meet our Muslim leaders under the Animal Welfare MOU Handle with Care were arranging to meet with the same Muslim leaders 'without us.'

Our lawyers worked long and hard giving their own time. THEY have all the background knowledge.

So WHY did Handle with Care 'exclude' pale who was the ONLY group to have ever got this far. (The very group that started this work.)

Or= Why did WSPA reject pale as members.

Was it ego`s- or something more. I haven`t made up my mind.

What I 'do know' is we could have been further advanced had everybody 'worked together' for the animals.

pale is NOT under the control of the Government or 'anybody' else and nothing and nobody will gag us from the truth.- ever!

PS Nicky we only applied for wspa membership in order to have their rejection 'in writing.':)

Hugh of course was president of WSPA Australia and your buddies held the other votes.

Just for the record.

NickyDickey
If your serious about bringing live exports to an end-

Check out where the abattoirs are within your own areas - or further.
Ring them and ask them would the like more business.

Tell them there are people interested in buying direct who will put in the funds to bring the plant up to export standards + do the paperwork.

Don’t try to go any further that that.

Most of these blokes have their own supply of stock.....

Then contact our office and we will arrange Muslim delegates to meet you along with a Halal Certifier rep.

You don’t ever have to contact us again if you don’t want to.

You can work with your Muslim contacts direct.

You will act as a guide while they are in town.

Probably arrange accommodation given you all know your own areas.
Later all going well, you will go with the delegates and the Halal certifier to meet with the farmers.

*All you have to do is go along and be yourself.* *Leave the farmers and Muslims to talk uninterrupted.*

Provide some soft drink and Halal nibbles which is all paid for.

Once a deal is struck you can work on shorter transport water shade etc....

YOU make recommendations you think will improve conditions for animals.
You can do as little or as much as you like within this area.

Two days a month would be a big help. Certifications will be issued to anybody wanting to become a volunteer Halal Inspector for 'Animal Welfare.'

There will be paid positions on the table later.
That does 'not' include slaughtering methods which we will discuss later.

Each plant will have a worm farm for environmental waste. Hopefully each farmer will also look at Halal vegetables.

Later those vegetables will produce Halal cosmetic as well…. (There is enormous potential in this particular project) You may like to be part of that.

Remember you can do as much or as little as you wish.



Just thought would post a bit about the HKM project.

I think I agree with Rojo's comment; why is it okay to brutalise pigs in Australia and not dogs and cats?

PALE, you say you want to get into abattoirs - some time ago, I advised that there were abattoirs down in Tasmania for sale, which are reportedly already halal accredited and you never explained why you did not pursue that. I heard they were eventually sold to the Swift (Brazilian) group. They were there for the taking.

I have absolutely no idea why PALE was declined membership of WSPA, perhaps you could enlighten us, you only say that this occurred, never why. If Wirthless spoke to you once on the phone why have you not tried again? And what evidence is there that Handle with Care has been meeting with Muslim leaders behind your back? So far as I know there is no authentic public information about that.

One thing you could get your Muslim leader friends to do would be to state publicly that animals blessed by a Catholic priest are "haram" (following through on Mark Pearson's initiative in Fremantle recently). Unless you believe that because it wasn't your idea you don't want to be part of it (background story is at www.liveexportshame.com). It would only need one more rejected ship.

There is also the small matter of rampant pirate activity in the Gulf of Aden and off the coast of East Africa, seizing commercial ships - but does it stop the live export shippers? Of course not.

Nicky

*There is also the small matter of rampant pirate activity in the Gulf of Aden and off the coast of East Africa, seizing commercial ships - but does it stop the live export shippers? Of course not.*

Aha Nicky, we have a few pirates, so stop global trade!

Luckily extremists like you don't have too much say in the running
of Govt, or what a disaster it would be!

There is of course an answer to the pirates, which the Indians
understood and everyone else is just too PC to accept. Sink
their boats and they will soon realise that piracy does not
pay.

Its the laws of the jungle in Somalia, so its laws of the jungle
that you need to apply in this case. Ending world trade is not
the answer, for you would soon complain if there was not petrol
for your car.

* agree with Rojo's …
Dog’s cats sold for experiments - worse.

I wasn’t aware of your interest in plants. What makes you think our people ‘didn’t’ go.

*I have absolutely no idea why PALE was declined membership of WSPA, perhaps you could enlighten us; you only say that this occurred, never why.

Good question. Thats something only ‘they’ can answer.… If you like, we’ll arrange for your question to be asked in public, on insight, or similar with Hugh and crew present, to ensure a answer.
Can’t be fairer than that.



Apparently our project to reopen plants doesn’t sit well.

Kind of interesting when you consider all sites state replace live with chilled carcass.

If Wirthless spoke to you once on the phone why have you not tried again?*

• Talk to him about what.

• -What possible USE could that be for the animals?


Do you think he might explain why he and RSPCA National ignored, rejected, invitations when he was president of RSPCA and attempts to include them in the Animal Welfare MOU with Muslim Leaders.



We set it up for RSPCA National then Animals Australia to take over. That`s an absolute fact.!

*And what evidence is there that Handle with Care has been meeting with Muslim leaders behind your back? *

In writing- on letter head. Confirmation from a Muslim Leader to lawyer.

• So far as I know there is no authentic public information about that.*

We don’t see it to be in the interests of the animals. YET.

One thing you could get your Muslim leader friends …..
Mark`s great. Love to see him and Lyn heading Animal Welfare.
They got it wrong about the priest.( No problem just so long as its also blessed by Allah- sorry.)

*There is also the small matter of rampant pirate …..

Ar, the word must be out those ships were sent by the Mikly Bar kid! who`s in bed with their buddies from Landmark AWB Elders etc IMO -like the previous Government in return for donations and votes.

Money speaks all languages.

Doesn’t it Mr Rudd.